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Posted: 05 July 2016,19:44 QUOTE

I have all the ins and outs off VOSA in writing somewhere, ill dig it out.

You need a taco dan as your delivering your plant for hire, no other reason, i didn't need one as it was what they call "own account" i.e.: i was taking the machine for myself to use on my own job.

There is a rule about trailer length also, which is why all for williams trailers are under a certain length to avoid the O-licence stuff.

Yes - regardless of its unladen weight if your towing a 3.5t trailer even if empty and your vehicle hasn't got a 3.5t tow rating then they will pull you for that.

I got pulled twice by vosa and they tried to do me for a few things, i produced the paperwork from VOSA and they backed off, if you don't know the ins and outs to the letter they will write you a ticket!
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Posted: 05 July 2016,20:15 QUOTE

so that means that nearly every single swb van with a 10 ft twin axle trailer is breaking the law.

Doesn't matter how hard you try it seems this country wants to make you illegal so they can fine you.

**** it. I'm buying a truck then

God I'm annoyed
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Posted: 05 July 2016,21:26 QUOTE

or safe so you don't kill someone

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Posted: 06 July 2016,19:07 QUOTE

Your not much better off with a truck! Although a multi purpose vehicle....like an l200 is exempt from o-licencing also.

And there is no legal correlation between the weight of the tow vehicle and the trailer.

And....if you manage to get all the above the right they will most probably try to do you for ball hitch and axel loadings :p

Landrover 90, discovery or the new isuzu pickup with uprated tow kit is what you want. Anything else and you might swell keep your van.

I used to tow a kx71-3 around behind my navara d40 and tbh it wasn't safe, it felt very heavy. And that would of been pushing 3.5t with buckets etc.
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Quote (DNgroundworks @ 06 July 2016,18:07)
Your not much better off with a truck! Although a multi purpose vehicle....like an l200 is exempt from o-licencing also.

And there is no legal correlation between the weight of the tow vehicle and the trailer.

And....if you manage to get all the above the right they will most probably try to do you for ball hitch and axel loadings :p

Landrover 90, discovery or the new isuzu pickup with uprated tow kit is what you want. Anything else and you might swell keep your van.

I used to tow a kx71-3 around behind my navara d40 and tbh it wasn't safe, it felt very heavy. And that would of been pushing 3.5t with buckets etc.

Dude you have totally discombobulated the hell out of me lol
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Posted: 06 July 2016,20:58 QUOTE

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Your not much better off with a truck! Although a multi purpose vehicle....like an l200 is exempt from o-licencing also.

And there is no legal correlation between the weight of the tow vehicle and the trailer.

And....if you manage to get all the above the right they will most probably try to do you for ball hitch and axel loadings :p

Landrover 90, discovery or the new isuzu pickup with uprated tow kit is what you want. Anything else and you might swell keep your van.

I used to tow a kx71-3 around behind my navara d40 and tbh it wasn't safe, it felt very heavy. And that would of been pushing 3.5t with buckets etc.

navara is 2700kg rated and train weight calc is about 1890kg load on a normal mini digger trailer

moved a kx71-3 on a 900kg trailer so 4100kg pulled it ok but wouldn't have like to have stopped in a hurry luckily was only round the factory site, we use ramps and our 7.5 ton tipper but hoping to find better solution be it iveco double cab and trailer batons do a specialist light weight trailer allowing 2920kg load

so ranger, landcruiser, land rover, iveco etc 3.5 ton limit or maybe a plant body 7.5 ton

a 3.5 ton tipper is a hand vehicle to have in your fleet if you can

http://www.batesontrailers.com/product/plant-trailers/1687/


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Posted: 09 July 2016,00:47 QUOTE

OK I've decided to go for this and cancel my b and E test. http://www.batesontrailers.com/product....trailer

Gonna buy a grafter of this ilk next year and muscle through for the time being http://www.steadplan.co.uk/images/sales/thumbs/1657424558464.jpg
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Posted: 18 July 2016,16:08 QUOTE

the 4.25t rule is for drivers with out a b and e license they can drive a van upto 3.5t and tow a maximum of 750kg (including trailer weight so any non braked trailer)
without b and e the van and trailer is treated as potential weights so the max fully loaded weight of your vehicle plus the max loaded weight of the trailer so pretty much all vans plus 2t trailer puts you above the 3.5t limit

with b and e license it works off of actual weights upto a combined weight of 7t (as long as your van has a gtw for 7t)

most vans are around 5.5t gtw but that will only give you around 2t max trailer weight (around 1.25t payload + the actual weight of the trailer)
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OK so I rented a shipping container and the old boy who owns the yard asked me if I wanted a different one that has a verandah to the side for no extra cost. I've done some work boarding around it and repaired the roof and I'm good to go. For a tenner a week I can park in front of it so I will be getting a trailer next year and now don't need a remote control to park it cos it's a lot easier at the yard.

So...

What trailer? I could do with ideally staying at 2 tons so my van can tow it as well as the truck as my van is limited to 2 tons. I really don't want to buy a small plant trailer that really can ONLY be used for a digger or dumper. I'd like a small tipper trailer that has versatility but the height of the load is a little high. Is there such a think as a low loading tipper that can double for small plant?

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Posted: 07 Dec. 2016,19:20 QUOTE

I think what you are asking for doesnt exist.
buy a tipper traiker, and down rate it, that eay you are legal provided you keep within limits, then if you ever get something than can tow more, you can up rate the trailer back to manufacter spec


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Posted: 07 Dec. 2016,20:54 QUOTE

Think my trailer should be here this week a g84 I think. Had last one 12 years, still good now.
 What are you wanting to cart to the tip, uses for the tipper.


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Posted: 08 Dec. 2016,22:46 QUOTE

Youll need to do your b and e test

No need to down plate the trailer as with b and e you work off actual weights

I've got a 10' 3.5t Brian James tipper its good one of the lowest beds (around 600mm) on the market and also has 4 pairs of tiedowns inside the bed my tb108 fits in it fine although not as much space left as you would expect once its on as everything is inside the bed unlike a plant trailer where the bucket sits outside the bed.
Not cheap though trailer with punched ally ramps is around 4800 including vat
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Posted: 08 Dec. 2016,22:48 QUOTE

Also got mesh on mine which is a pain at times having to drop it to get things also have to drop the sides when loading machine as can't slew round as its too tight although the bottom of the machine does clear the sideboards when they're up
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Posted: 09 Dec. 2016,23:07 QUOTE

ta for feedback. Think I may go for this http://www.batesontrailers.com/product....purpose

and down rate it by 110kg

Handy sizable trailer. Not sure if it's worth getting the 12 x 6 even as 10 x 6 or 12 x 6.. they are both a bugger to reverse and deal with.. may as well go bigger dunno.
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Posted: 10 Dec. 2016,09:32 QUOTE

Unless your carting waste to a tip I don't see much point in a tipper. It's easier to shovel sand etc off the trailer bed than off the floor.

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Posted: 11 Dec. 2016,17:27 QUOTE

Quote (lemoncurd1702 @ 10 Dec. 2016,08:32)
Unless your carting waste to a tip I don't see much point in a tipper. It's easier to shovel sand etc off the trailer bed than off the floor.

I do cart waste to the tip. 1-5 times per week.

My truck is crap also. Only takes 500kg legally. Will take 1.2 tons quite comfortably though. Just gotta go SLOW and leave loads of room for the car in front..
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Posted: 11 Dec. 2016,18:56 QUOTE

Be better off with a tipper its a pain getting stuff in and out of a trailer where the sides don't drop.

Being 700kg overweight is not good chances of being pulled are slim but if anything happens you will get the book thrown at you
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Be better off with a tipper its a pain getting stuff in and out of a trailer where the sides don't drop.

Being 700kg overweight is not good chances of being pulled are slim but if anything happens you will get the book thrown at you

Yeah don't do it often but you know how it is..
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Posted: 22 May 2017,21:07 QUOTE

Loving this damn trailer. Loaded it twice today with 2.5 tons of breeze blocks and broken concrete. Van pulled it no problem and van is loaded close to capacity with tools. Went twice to the crushers where I slip the guy a tenner per load. 20, 5 tons of concrete woohoo. Skip would have cost me 200 and been awkward to get on site and harder to load :-)
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Posted: 23 May 2017,16:51 QUOTE

Earning its crust then
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