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Posted: 17 Jan. 2014,23:12 QUOTE

I read this yesterday what mentions the radius of 62 miles

BALI works with ELCA to achieve compromise on tachograph regulations

The amendment negotiated by ELCA at the EU Commission means that vehicles with a total weight of up to 7.5 tonnes, working exclusively within a radius of 100 km (62 miles) from their company base and that transport material, equipment and machines required by the driver of the vehicle to carry out his work, are exempted from the requirement to install a digital tachograph. The vehicle driver must not be a full-time driver


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Posted: 18 Jan. 2014,07:52 QUOTE

Reading that mick, it suggests I could buy a 6.3 tonner and not require a tacho?

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Posted: 18 Jan. 2014,10:27 QUOTE

It's a very very grey area this - the NOT for hire or reward is a grey area - surely the machine is being transported by the 'company' doing the works, and this transport has to be factored into the job, you're not doing it for free....

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Posted: 18 Jan. 2014,10:47 QUOTE

As per the VOSA link

Issued: 23 December 2011 Changes to operator licensing rules for vehicles under 3.5 tonnes towing small trailers

What is not Hire or Reward
You are NOT usually operating for Hire or Reward when you carry goods you own or goods you have used or will use in the course of your business.

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In each of the following examples a Van below 3,500 kgs (3.5t) and a small trailer is used to transport a mini-digger from a depot to a work site. The gross plated weights of vehicle and trailer when combined exceed 3.5t.

These examples cover most circumstances; however there are more than these simple examples so if you are in any doubt please contact VOSA Enquiries.

Example 1 - The digger is owned by you, the user of the vehicle. You use the digger on the site. This transport is done on your own account and you do not need an operatorís licence.

Example 2 - The digger is rented by you, the user of the vehicle. You use the digger on the site. This transport is done on your own account and you do not need an operatorís licence.

Example 3 - The digger is rented by you, the owner of the digger is the user of the vehicle (they deliver to site for you to use). You use the digger on the site. This transport is done on the "own account" of the digger renting company and they do not need an operatorís licence.

Example 4 - The digger is owned by the building company, you collect it from building companyís depot and bring to site. You use the digger on the site. This transport is done on your own account and you do not need an operatorís licence.

Example 5 - The digger is owned by the building company, having used the digger you take it from one site to another site (where the digger is stored). This transport is done on your own account and you do not need an operatorís licence.

Example 6 - The digger is not owned by you, you collect it from a depot and deposit it at a site where another company uses it. If you are rewarded for this work in any way (payment or in kind) this is hire or reward, you have not under taken this work on your own account, you have made a pure freight journey Ė and you will therefore need an operatorís licence.


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Posted: 18 Jan. 2014,11:57 QUOTE

Ah thats much clearer, cheers Mick

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Posted: 18 Jan. 2014,21:21 QUOTE

After 13 years of using Transit Tippers i am now fully converted to a Landrover Discovery with an ifor Williams trailer.
Previously I could only legally carry 1.1 ton on the tipper
Now I can tow 3.5 ton legally with the Disco. †My trailer is rated to carry 2.7 ton and weighs 600 kgs. †So now I collect 2.7 ton from the quarry
in one trip whereas this used to be 3 trips with the tipper. The saving on time has been massive. †Also means I can unhitch the trailer and use the disco on its own.
The Disco is classed as a commercial vehicle as it is a special edition with no seats in back and a bulk head.
Best thing I have bought ! † I can now understand why all these landrover drivers are so passionate !

I just transport for my own jobs and not hire and reward so I am ok
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Posted: 18 Jan. 2014,21:37 QUOTE

Quote (dig dug dan @ 18 Jan. 2014,05:52)
Reading that mick, it suggests I could buy a 6.3 tonner and not require a tacho?

youd be fine for your work, but when delivering the crushers you'd need to use a tacho

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Posted: 18 Jan. 2014,21:40 QUOTE

we had the kx016-4 and breaker on the trailer behind the 7.5 ton today with 3.5 ton of dtp1  on gross train weight must have been 9000kg+ my foreman is class 1 though

tows like its not there


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Posted: 18 Jan. 2014,21:47 QUOTE

I take it you had the steel drop side tipper Nigel and not the aluminium which is rated to carry just over 1800kg

I was going down the route of a disco Nigel as the MAM is higher but I felt its a one job item where as with a pickup you can carry stone, sand or a tracked dumper on the back and you can still tow the digger on a trailer


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Posted: 18 Jan. 2014,21:49 QUOTE

how can that make any difference Giles, its the MAM of the vehicle not what licence you hold, I used to have my class 2 but I still could not go over any weight limit and be legal if stopped ?

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Posted: 18 Jan. 2014,23:05 QUOTE

the MAM of most 7.5t is 11000kg or 11t, my mistubishi cantor 7.5t IS 11000KG, BUT YOU NEED HGV licence to tow with a trailer as it over 7.5t. as giles says his man has a class 1, on a car licence you can only tow 750kg behing a 7.5tonner.
I always put the 3tonner on the back as i can carry 3.9t canters are a very light 7.5t lorry †as there is no air system and chassis rails are narrower cab is lower ,
micro digger and 1.5t digger †i tow behind disco, but if need be they all go on back of cantor and the concrete crusher, 3m long ali ramps rated at 1.5t each † †
I would not be without a 7,5 ton lorry when digging out and carting agregates, † †MSH :)


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Posted: 18 Jan. 2014,23:09 QUOTE

yeah my mistake, just re read what Giles said  :)

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Posted: 18 Jan. 2014,23:23 QUOTE

Quote (mickg @ 18 Jan. 2014,19:49)
how can that make any difference Giles, its the MAM of the vehicle not what licence you hold, I used to have my class 2 but I still could not go over any weight limit and be legal if stopped ?

to tow a trailer over 750kg with a 7.5 ton you need class 1 as its classed the same as a arctic max nam is 11200kg on our man 7.5 ton. weve got a new iveco with a lighter body not sure what that is yet as it need sot go for plate.

oops msh answered.

did yo ever find those trench props?


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Posted: 19 Jan. 2014,00:54 QUOTE

Quote (mickg @ 18 Jan. 2014,19:47)
I take it you had the steel drop side tipper Nigel and not the aluminium which is rated to carry just over 1800kg

I was going down the route of a disco Nigel as the MAM is higher but I felt its a one job item where as with a pickup you can carry stone, sand or a tracked dumper on the back and you can still tow the digger on a trailer

Mick

The 1800kg fig is as a chassis cab with no body once you put the body and tipping gear on it will be more like 1200-1300 max.


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Posted: 19 Jan. 2014,01:21 QUOTE

I see where your coming from

as an example according to these two Autotrader listing its 1693 kg Payload, I did see a couple of pick ups listed a few weeks ago and maybe they lied with the spec hence the 1825kg max payload which is what I have gone off

http://vans.autotrader.co.uk/used-va....ng=true

http://vans.autotrader.co.uk/used-va....799

hmm might be back to the drawing board


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Posted: 19 Jan. 2014,09:12 QUOTE

I'am on the case giles...they in the back of my shed just have to get through the stuff in the way...lol
Never heard of a tranny tipper that can carry anymore than about 1.4t, a 3way tipper trannny will carry 1.05t...useless
nissan cabstar will carry 1.6t, it very hard to carry anymore on a 3.5t gross truck

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Posted: 19 Jan. 2014,09:19 QUOTE

I am in the process of doing my c1+e hgv test  at moment.
This will entitle  me tow up to 12000kg. On my Iveco 7.5 ton tipper my train weight is 11000kg, so legally I will have the ability to carry a good amount of weight legally.
Course only costing £750 will pay for itself very quickly.

I wasn't aware you could legally tow so much with smaller vans, discoveries etc, this seems crazy. Be careful towing all them weights. You may have to brake quickly one day.


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Posted: 19 Jan. 2014,10:00 QUOTE

my 319 sprinter has an uprated towing system supposedly it can tow 3 or 3.5 ton

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Posted: 19 Jan. 2014,10:11 QUOTE

has anyone heard of a Isuzu or Iveco drop side tipper with a MAM of 6500kg

Tony what's the maximum weight you can tow behind your 7.5 ton wagon


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Posted: 19 Jan. 2014,10:19 QUOTE

I think its 3.5 ton

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