Forum: Site Works|
Topic: Recent work
started by: lutonlagerlout
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 07 Aug. 2010,18:43last couple of weeks
this morning at 8 AM
this afternoon at 4 pm
job done nice and safe with £150 of scaffold
ready for the abuse
Posted by mickg on 07 Aug. 2010,19:51that looks very good work from where I am sitting, very nice indeed
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 07 Aug. 2010,20:38cheers mick
its the new variation of dartmoor heathers,same as the old ones but with bigger holes?
the mate i did it for kept trying to cut corners but i did my best to give him a decent job
i refused to build the gable last night off towers so he had to get the scaffs in
they pulled up at 8.30 today and smashed straight into his retaining wall
what is it with scaffolders???
Posted by 47p2 on 07 Aug. 2010,21:56
Nice work LLL
I guess the scaffolders are trying to keep you in work
Posted by Bob_A on 08 Aug. 2010,10:19That looks like really good workmanship.
There really is a difference between a good job and a very good job!
Posted by rab1 on 08 Aug. 2010,18:33nice job as always mate.
at 8am i was personally thinking why in gods name did i eat that kebab last night.
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 09 Aug. 2010,14:53As always Tony great work I like the detail on the corners made out if the tiles, not quiet what to call them but I like them.
Not worth risking it for 150 is it
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 Aug. 2010,17:29they are called knees giles,they are not truly correct but because they used roofing tiles on the house then i had to follow suit to make them match
normally i would use a flat creasing tile for that detail
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 Aug. 2010,17:48new job today,decided after the recent dry spell that discretion was the better part of valour and got a small machine and small dumper in
4 Pm waiting for bco before we pull the last trench
anyone seen an IC like this before?
job we did a while back ,railings fitted now
Posted by dig dug dan on 09 Aug. 2010,18:31I see you used tjc hire there. I have an account with them, but haven't used them for about 10 years!. I tend to use whoever is local to where i am working, and i don't get out to leighton buzzard much!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 Aug. 2010,19:11i didnt hire them i just rang the digger guy and went with the flow
he loves those takeuchis but found the 1.5T a little underpowered in the rock hard ground we were on
he owns a 3t and 5 t and they would eat it alive but the access is bad
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 09 Aug. 2010,21:07i pulled up on a job this morning, new gas main connection, just putting the trench in, about 10 metres was done in under an hour, nice to get paid full day for that haha, so went and jumped on the rugby club job we can move again just about got 3/4 done now. photos later...
Posted by irishpaving on 09 Aug. 2010,22:16How do you get the cuts so perfect LLL
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 Aug. 2010,22:2525 years on the trowel mate
experience i suppose
Posted by irishpaving on 09 Aug. 2010,22:29those trowel cuts mate
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 Aug. 2010,23:26OC not colm
you can see the stihl in the photies
have to say the making good round the IC is second to none
Posted by msh paving on 10 Aug. 2010,06:00That manhole is called a marscarbowl, osma used to make them a few years back, so simple design but never took of building control at 4pm our lot are back in office at 2.30.....MSH
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 Aug. 2010,07:07cheers mark ,
i knew someone here would know
after the recent cuts (2 bcos got their jotters)
they all have to work later,in fact he didnt turn up till 4.45
better than not at all though
Posted by irishpaving on 10 Aug. 2010,08:05Even with the saw LLL i cant believe how spot on the line is...
Posted by irishpaving on 10 Aug. 2010,08:07is that a little bit of concrete around the ic....
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 10 Aug. 2010,10:13Irish, you mean the cut on the gable or the garage door. The gable is a lovely bit of work, seen a lovely knee in carved stone out in the peaks real tasty bit of work
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 Aug. 2010,12:20
which line are we talking about Colm?
Posted by irishpaving on 10 Aug. 2010,15:01Gable mate
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 Aug. 2010,15:40you just tack 2 battens on to the rafters top and bottom and ping a line along them,
its been a wet one in luton today, hows MK?
Posted by irishpaving on 10 Aug. 2010,15:44Same m8... Gone quiet again for me at mo.. hows things your way mate
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 Aug. 2010,16:57we picked up a couple of jobs that will see us till november,have you tried the motorway?
I heard they are taking on men
Posted by henpecked on 10 Aug. 2010,22:04Nice knees , LLL. Dont see that sort of detail these days. Nice touch, was it spec or you being a bit artistic?
Must say, quite a respectable chod in lane three of that IC.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 11 Aug. 2010,21:09footings dug
concrete being poured
built the BWK up to dpc today but was too sore for pics more to follow
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 11 Aug. 2010,21:14you relaying the paving as well tony? doesn;t look much sub base under it to have that wagon run over it without sinking?
to sore, you're getting old ;)
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 11 Aug. 2010,21:22I hate nosebleeds giles,especially with concrete blocks and even more since my sorcerer's apprentice went off to pastures new
any bricklayer will tell you its pants working on your jacks
RE: the paving,of course it will be made good
the grab lorry shattered an ic cover which i replaced,which the fully laden concrete wagon then shattered again,even with a sheet of ply on it
drains and stone up tomorrow AM ,funeral in the PM
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 11 Aug. 2010,21:32i knew you would make it good but wondered if you'd redo the whole thing
haha we have some steel plates 15mm thick about 450 wide x 1000 we use for covering ic etc or acco when running plant or wagons over.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 11 Aug. 2010,23:30no, we will just make good
i took 15 photos before we started as it has been well abused and we wont be repairing stuff others have done
its a council owned road and we are working direct for the council so its up to them,the way the money is, it will probably be made good
TBh not much of a road ,but thats all they have for the close
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 13 Aug. 2010,17:278 am this morning
10.45 (bored yet?)
12.00 after tea break
2.45 get in the pick up lads
all in all not a bad weeks work considering i was at a funeral yestarday,nice site and plenty of tea makes the lout a happy man
Posted by henpecked on 13 Aug. 2010,17:30Nice work, LLL.
Did you rebar the slab?
Just wondering if it made a difference in domestic or not?
Posted by dig dug dan on 13 Aug. 2010,17:31apologies for being thick, but how do you know exactly where to put the sewer pipe tony, or more precisely, the 90' bend inside the extension?
Posted by Dave_L on 13 Aug. 2010,17:46"LLL closes eyes and plonks finger in random area within slab"
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 13 Aug. 2010,17:49no rebar hen
just st4 concrete which the driver informed me is the same mix as they are using on the motorway = C30
we have detailed plans dan once the footprint is up ,its a simple task to measure off 2 walls
it is a wet room type construction at the end closest to the road ,so we have to use a harmer gully and altro flooring
Posted by dig dug dan on 13 Aug. 2010,17:51I thought that was the case tony!!
Posted by flowjoe on 13 Aug. 2010,19:13Master Class Tony, you should set up a time lapse camera and put the lot on you tube.
Not forgetting to cut out the bit where your scratching your arse with your trowel and juggling your nuts
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 13 Aug. 2010,20:47for some reason the lads get all camera shy
summat to do with crime stoppers
Posted by flowjoe on 13 Aug. 2010,21:47
Posted by seanandruby on 14 Aug. 2010,09:10got a spare blucher gully if your interested lll
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 28 Aug. 2010,18:38
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 28 Aug. 2010,18:52< photie links > CBA to do them individual but used the gunpoint from instarmac
the bag was 5kg smaller than easipoint but overall i would rate them the same to use
20kg of gun point did exactly 2M2 of brickwork albeit with very big perpends and beds and raked out to 25mm
so if estimating for BWK i would allow 10kg of pointing mix per metre squared
Posted by mickg on 28 Aug. 2010,21:02why have you got the open joints Luton, you still using Putlock scaffold in your neck of the woods ?
Posted by michaelthegardener on 28 Aug. 2010,21:17very nice
Posted by seanandruby on 28 Aug. 2010,22:33
surely it is putlog mick Comes from ancient buildings when holes where left for logs to support the scaffolding.
Posted by rab1 on 28 Aug. 2010,22:36edinburgh castle still has the putlock holes in the walls. my mate the history buff assures me that all of the holes in the castle walls were for a wooden scaffold.
Posted by mickg on 29 Aug. 2010,00:16yeah your right sean, I did check at google and was prompted did you mean putlock so I changed the spelling before i posted
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 29 Aug. 2010,00:58the access is vey tight ,normally i would like 2+4 boards but in this instance it has to be pudlock as we call it ===> 4 boards
needs must etc etc
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 29 Aug. 2010,01:02also i despise claydon multis with a vengeance
but if i get paid to lay them i do the best i can
the gauge on the house is all over the place
first 12 courses are 890
second 12 are 930
next6 are 480
follow existing as it says on the drawing
Posted by Bob_A on 29 Aug. 2010,01:21What don't you like about Claydon multis?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 29 Aug. 2010,01:30out of 2000 bricks bob we have stacked up 400 chipped and cracked ones
you cant just lay them,you have to look and lay
Posted by mike builder/landscaper on 31 Aug. 2010,22:09why did you use instamac for pointing the chimney lll ?. is it stronger than 4/1 mix of sand and cement or easier to go through gun?.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 31 Aug. 2010,23:08speed mike
took me roughly 2 hours to rake it out with diamond mortar grinder,cant recommend these enough for chasing,the blade is about 8 mm wide by 110m
then to point the lot took about 4 hours which i reckon is faster than using a normal trowel pointing trowel combo
especially as the joints were raked out deep
my only concern was that it is very grey
plus i wanted to give it a try
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 04 Sep. 2010,10:08getting there
roof pitched, gables built
there is 1 deliberate unavoidable mistake in this build
pair of OCD glasses to the 1st who can spot it
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Posted by mickg on 04 Sep. 2010,11:19the ladder is not tied
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 04 Sep. 2010,11:35no mickg
we were packing up and had to take the puddy clip off the ladder to take it down at night
its very plain to see
Posted by Bob_A on 04 Sep. 2010,12:39The scaffold poles next to the ladder are only being held at one point?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 04 Sep. 2010,13:16no bob,nothing to do with scaffold
*big hint * brickwork
Posted by Injured on 04 Sep. 2010,13:19you havent changed the bricks above the soldier course. They are different on the original build.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 04 Sep. 2010,13:38we have a winner!!
the original brickwork was claydon multis,regency soldier course then moreteyne russets
moreteyne russets are discontinued (although now i have said that someone will know where i can get a pack)
so rather than introduce a 4th colour into the house we went with claydon multis for the gable
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 18 Sep. 2010,14:33more recent work,before
this was the boundary wall at my local pub "olivers" in luton
sadly it was knocked down by accident
i enjoyed rebuilding it but its on london road luton so i must have got honked at and abused by a menagerie of hundreds every day
if i ballsed this up ii would never hear the end of it
anyway finished at 3 yesterday and stayed on that the pub for a questions and answer session that lasted until 10.15 last night
i told the missus that networking is very important
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 18 Sep. 2010,14:37how it used to look
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Posted by lutonlagerlout on 27 Sep. 2010,19:44more work wheelchair access requires a flush threshold so we had 2 insert 2 DPCs and a 600mm cavity try when building the extension
bar faced slabs laid
block paving lifted to meet slabs
i know none of this is particularly prestigious but the fact that a little lad can now be wheeled straight in to his bedroom is reward in itself
anyway to cheer myself up i took a piccie of the boston ivy on the back of my house
if there is a nicer autumnal plant i cant think of it and having had 5 die on me previously i am glad this one took
Posted by mickg on 27 Sep. 2010,21:16nice work as always Luton
Posted by Mikey_C on 27 Sep. 2010,22:03just a couple of comments/questions, if i may?
decided not to opt for your signature union jack cross thing on top of the pub wall piers then?
where does the linear discharge to from the ramp?
Posted by mickg on 27 Sep. 2010,22:32he can't on that one Mikey as the pillar is not square, I tried to emulate the same finish on a wall I built last year and could not do it either so I ended up buying the solid type bricks what Luton has used on the photo above
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 28 Sep. 2010,06:57good questions mikey
as mick correctly states the piers are 450 by 335 which doesnt make for a good mitre,also the pub in question is frequented by a lot of very nationalistic irish types
they wouldnt be best pleased with a union jack on the wall IYKWIM
sometimes especially on 335 by 335mm pier tops its best to lay class A bricks flat with a 100 by 100 square in the middle
its a neater finish like that
the out fall from the aco joins the BIG at the rear of the job,its been backfilled on the photo
as i said this is bread and butter work, and we have to work to the councils spec and budget,i thought i may have got pulled on the in situ concrete round the covers, but looks like i got a pass from you blokes on that
we were stuffed here the blocks are old 65mm CBP
and when they laid the road they must have tried the old "mix cement with the KDS" took my labourer nearly a day to clean up 150 blocks with all the cement stuck to them
god i hate relaying old blocks
as a side note got a call from a drive i did 12 years ago ( )
anyway he says 1 particular area sank about 6 months a go so he topped it up but its sank again?
I am reasonable but 12 years is just outside my statute of limitations
but curiosity killed the cat as they say so i went round
first thing i noticed was a monster Winnebago on the drive,but the hole wasnt there
the hole was tucked away where no cars could ever reach it
the blocks had dropped like 30mm in 1 section about 400 by 400
so i pulled out the blocks
I noted he had used soft sand when he tried to redo it
then i went down a bit more and it was full of ants
to me it looks like ants had removed the bedding layer
I am going back today to redo it with leanmix (i know rigid etc etc but its been down 12 years)
funny thing is rest of the drive is fine even with all the weight on it
Posted by rab1 on 28 Sep. 2010,18:14nice work as always, really like the ivy.
Posted by Pablo on 28 Sep. 2010,19:29Mr Lout I think thats a Viginia Creeper not a Boston Ivy. The VC has 3-5 serrated leaflets and the BI has a leaf like a Maple. Hard to tell from the photo though. I agree about the colour I've got both on my garage although they're starting to lift the slates so they're getting a serious trimming soon.
Posted by R&A Pressure Washing on 28 Sep. 2010,20:54LLL
In all the times I have cleaned your patio, I never noticed you had a balcony up there!!!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 28 Sep. 2010,21:33that is because you are concentrating so hard on your work roger!
and doblo you are indeed right mate!!
i have seen the same plant advertised as both virginia creeper and boston ivy,but it looke like i have been killing boston ivy and the Virginia creeper is the one that has thrived
i have a wisteria out the south facing front of the house but no show from that yet,also an acer rubrum for its autumn foliage
in the back i have an acer "crimson king" a "mountain ash" and a spanish fir similar to this
i did have a persian ironwood tree and a black locust but they died on me
as you can tell as well as being a general noob i am also a tree noob
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 29 Sep. 2010,22:27a new job started tuesday
poured crete today to half of it
conveniently found main sewer and gas leccy and water today
all intact so far
and so the cycle continues
previous job has to be left 3 weeks for the screed to dry out for the altro flooring to be laid
this one is more complicated,looks like a groundbeam will be in order,oh the joys of mud!
Posted by Dave_L on 30 Sep. 2010,22:05oooooh new model takeuchi!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 02 Oct. 2010,11:16lashed of rain all day yesterday
we got soaked trying to get the ground beam ready,but ready it is
4.4m long, 205 by 205, 54kg per metre,
2 of us dragged that up the drive on our own then rolled it into position
clear out and c35 concrete monday morning
Posted by henpecked on 02 Oct. 2010,12:53Im on holiday ATM, went top pick up 4 x 3 mtr tanalised posts, 5 x 150 x 50 tanalised 14 ft'ers, 6 bags sharp,2 pea and 5 cement( car port and 20 slabs) I got wet to the bone, it rained old ladys and walking sticks yesterday, never gotten that wet on site, must be slipping
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 02 Oct. 2010,14:44Was listening to the golf on 5 live, mega rain there and the American team waterproofs weren't waterproof haha. They had to go into the merchandising tent and buy waterproofs off a Cornish company. They interviewed the guy in one day he sold 600 waterproof suits at £209 each. £120k in a day haha.
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Posted by GB_Groundworks on 05 Oct. 2010,22:05few questions tony
who decided on the ground beam? did you have to get an engineer or copy similar spec from another job?
how deep was the bad ground, whats the cost comparison over going deeper and more concrete?
do you have to use the rsj or rebar cage?
ive done steels before to bridge protected tree roots etc but steel always on concrete pads not encased in concrete then the wall goes ontop of the steel.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 06 Oct. 2010,02:39when the digger driver noticed the ground change colour we investigated and found the main sewer run for the road behind where we are building running across the corner of our extension.albeit at 1500 deep
the peerless keith spears (structural engineer) came out and went away and did his calcs
and he came up with this ground beam
we concreted it yesterday with the c35 mix and the footings got built today
going deeper would still not have helped as the 6 inch pipe was haunched to 900 wide and it came across our foundations at an acute angle
probably all in all about £700 extra including steel concrete etc. havent put pen to paper yet
previously we have had to wrap the USB in some fine mesh but this one didnt call for it
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 06 Oct. 2010,18:06Right didn't see it was sewer thought was just bad ground, peerless hey I'll take that pepsi challenge with our guy. Jonathon kingfisher consulting is our engineer he's got more letters after his name than I've ever seen. He's also qualified architect haha, scary what those boys know he was trying to explain clay adhesion to steel piles to me complicated.
BSc(Eng) CEng FIEE MIMechE FConsE MAE haha
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 06 Oct. 2010,18:50keith used to be top man at beds county council for structural stuff
the mere mention of his name gets BCO quivering at the knees
thing is a lot of archs over specify to cover them selves
on 1 particular job he saved us 6 grand on steels from the original drawing to his calcs
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 Oct. 2010,03:16busy week this week
footings built and drains installed,oversite prepped
on to the brickwork next week
Posted by Mikey_C on 09 Oct. 2010,08:5909 Oct. 2010,03:16
were you going to bed late or getting up early??
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 Oct. 2010,09:28up early mikey
i only need 6 hrs sleep so as i fell asleep on the settee at 8PM i was up at 2AM
how i long for my teenage years when i could have a drink then go to bed at 2 AM and not wake up till 6 PM the following day
its a pain because you never feel fully refreshed but i cant sleep a minute longer than maybe 7 hrs at the most
Posted by cookiewales on 10 Oct. 2010,06:51
same here four to five hours then done if i have to much pain killer ie beer sleep less on tour am last to bed and first up
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 13 Oct. 2010,17:41Right I'm gonna have a go at this thread!
Recent job, almost complete now. Nice stone to lay, jointed with gtfk basalt - not as good as rompox but all I could get. Just got the last few ground level ones to put in and connect the lights up. Straight after jointing:-
Plasterer coming back whenever to render top and sides of the low wall as no decision could be reached on copings.
In case anyone's wondering why we laid in the plane we did, the blockwork is nowhere near 90 degrees - it's quite a bit less due to a bizarre boundary line. Didn't want to see cuts at weird angles so this masks it quite nicely. Took a fair bit longer. No long lines and no four-corners meeting = a happy jonnyboy!!
Going to use a proper coating on the walls - Keim, which acts like an etch-primer and really bites into the render. Colour tba!
Will be sealing it with our special sealant !
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 13 Oct. 2010,18:39very nice work johnny
havent seen that stone before
bet the client is chuffed
Posted by Bob_A on 13 Oct. 2010,20:11Plenty of colour.
Are they wet or been treated?
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 13 Oct. 2010,21:22Thanks guys.
It's Strata Cathedral in the 6 sized 560 series, they do it in a 4 sized 600 series too. We kept all of the 420x560's out, using them along the front, re-used all the cuts, and all being well are 2 flags to the good
Neither wet nor sealed - just freshly polymeric'd - it'll tone down a bit in a few days. Will defo be sealing it though due to the sweet chestnut tree overhead! Bloody squirrels have been bombing the lads!
We're starting another one in this stuff next week, ironically next door to the first lady we ever laid it for.
I have a pic of that wee one somewhere - will post it if I can find it!!
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 14 Oct. 2010,00:06Found it !
Posted by cookiewales on 14 Oct. 2010,07:01tidy work there jonny boy i have the number for romex ray if yo need it cheers cookie
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 22 Oct. 2010,20:24busy couple of weeks since the oversite was laid
loaded and ready to go
needles headtrees and demo
pete the welder doing his thing
this one was a right pain,there was an insitu boot lintel 12 " by 9" 2.1M long over this window,it interfered with the UB position by 12 mm so we had to kango it out
no fun at all on a friday, also had to notch all the joists on to the steel
thank makita for recip saws!
Posted by rimexboy on 22 Oct. 2010,20:48LLL N.B "ed you dont hang around do you... is the house empty or are they still trying to live in it... also what thickness plaster board should i use on my hall way from hell :blush: :blush:
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 22 Oct. 2010,21:29we stay on the same job every day from first sod of turf till the roof is tiled, 9mm on ceilings 12.5mm on studwalls, special one for kitchens foil back i think
ps client is still "living" at home, although existing might be a better phrase.
today was the worst day mess wise
its better to do the steelwork now than once the roof is on,really awkward when the rafters are in the way
starting second storey monday
Posted by rimexboy on 23 Oct. 2010,10:17Cheers LLL for that, yer my mrs aint too happy at the mo with the mess... opps...
so with a build that size how long are you looking at, it looks like a massive job..
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 23 Oct. 2010,16:33well we have been there 1 month and i reckon we will have the roofs on and tiled in another 3 weeks ,thats 7 weeks
then another 6 for the finishing
so its a 3 monther all told but i will only be there for 7 weeks
back at the end for the drive and retaining walls
the fella next door decided to "project manage" his own double extension
2 years so far and running,still no kitchen
I dont claim to be cheap but the job will get done as per drawing and on a tight a time frame as possible
we have lost jobs lately we could have had if we sent a couple of lads to start,but that generates bad publicity
1 guy wouldn't wait 6 weeks so now he has the guy who could start straight away
waiting for the call anytime soon
Posted by rimexboy on 23 Oct. 2010,19:50well like you say every job takes time and to be honest if the builder i wanted to do a job could start tomorrow i would be worried at how good they was....
so out in time for crimbo then... its amazing how quick the jobs can be done,
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 23 Oct. 2010,20:08sadly people still fall for the immediate start routine
the client does not believe me when i say that the roof getting tiled is only half way
problem is every day they can see progress with us
when the plumbers,sparks tilers ,floor layers etc get in not a massive change happens on a daily basis
dont get me started on plasterers
yet to meet a plasterer who hasnt got some kind of personal issues
Posted by rab1 on 23 Oct. 2010,20:50personally always find tilers the worst.
Posted by rimexboy on 23 Oct. 2010,21:10well with what you are doing will give a massive change most days but like you say when the internal is being done it does seam to take forever...
ask my mrs pmsl..
Posted by Stuarty on 23 Oct. 2010,21:22My turn, done alot of soft landscaping recently, drives me mental though
First up, a bit of earthworks.
Then we done a big digout, and paving job, never took pics of the retaining wall or paving though. And yes, I couped the track barrow. Oops lol
Planted up and turfed a block of student accomodation flats.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 24 Oct. 2010,03:46nice work stuarty
Posted by cookiewales on 24 Oct. 2010,06:15tidy work
Posted by Dave_L on 24 Oct. 2010,07:29LOL those power barrows, dangerous things!!!!!
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 24 Oct. 2010,11:47
They are - especially when the idiot driving the digger knocks you and the barrow over with the bucket
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 19 Nov. 2010,23:06been a busy few weeks since the last post , joisting done all brickwork finished and electrics and plumbing firstfixed
also did a small block drive while the leak and the spark were in our way
built the steps today, just the drains and internal demo left for me and my crew
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Posted by dig dug dan on 20 Nov. 2010,19:15stuarty, did you find that that hinowa does not fully discharge its load into a skip properly? the skip doesn't tip far enough forward!
Posted by dig dug dan on 20 Nov. 2010,19:17Tony, seeing all those lovely bricks wasted in a hole in the ground like that makes me wince! I am forever saving them for building up levels or backing up on wall jobs. saves a fortune!
why no crates?
Posted by Stuarty on 20 Nov. 2010,21:07the larger red barrows are Transportadores or something like that. All i know is they are italian. If you mean that wee one you can see through the glass, it always had a quarter skip left. It was off hired pronto! The big ones are fantastic machines imo
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 21 Nov. 2010,10:36dan i asked the BCO what he wanted and he said clean hardcore is fine,I cant justify spending 150quid on crates when they LA dont want them
each and every one of those bricks is chipped/cracked/spoiled so it saves skipping them as well
the bco didnt even want terram but i feel that upgrades the whole thing
in 6 weeks is a fairly rapid build. plasterers are in tuesday
and we will be off to sunny hemel !!!
Posted by mickg on 21 Nov. 2010,10:52hey make your mind up you posted 5 weeks first then changed it
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 21 Nov. 2010,11:05i couldnt remember the start date off the top of my head
so i had to recheck
its what i mean though by staying on a job and seeing it through,hate to see sites lying idle for weeks at a time because lads are off doing other work
we have been pretty lucky weather wise,only lost 1 day due to rain in 30 working days
Posted by seanandruby on 21 Nov. 2010,12:21As was discussed on a thread, sometime back by the boss and lll. The boss stated, quite rightly, that the use use of hardcore in a soakaway reduces the volume of water it can hold. In other words it is a no-goer. The BCO needs to go back to school
Posted by Tony McC on 21 Nov. 2010,12:31
I've often wondered if BCOs have to follow CPD (Continuing Professional Development) to keep their knowledge up-to-date because I meet a dozen or so each year who are stuck firmly in the 1970s.
On a job I was project managing, the client wanted to extend the paving over the apron at the entrance to the property, which was a public highway. I submitted a plan to the local authority and the BCO said I could do what I wanted as I obviously knew more about sett pavement construction and the new legislation on soakaways than anyone in their office!
Is it wrong to expect them to be at least familiar with modern construction techniques?
Posted by mickg on 21 Nov. 2010,12:57no its not wrong, they should be bang up to speed with all aspects of construction
that said though I learned a new one off an old timer BCO when I did a dormer conversion earlier on this year, it was down for pad stones 300 x 300 x 300 and the wall was only 280 wide and meant destroying internal plaster in 5 upstairs rooms, the BCO said use a 25mm thick piece of steel 900mm long, basically times the 300 by the 3 100mm deep if you see what i mean
this made the job 10 times easier to get the steel pad stones in place as i did the same for all the other pad stone too
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 21 Nov. 2010,13:19we have been using steel plates for 10 years on lofts now mick
as you say saves a fortune in remedial works for the client
our are normally specced at 15mm by 100mm by 600 mm long
and back on the soakaway
those dartmoor heathers have 3 holes in and the soakaway is 1.5m3 so at least theres a chance
other authorities demand crates
the biggest issue is that there is zero consistency between BCOs sometimes even working on the same council
there are certain areas where we add 5% to the job because we know the bco is overzealous in his/her application of building regs
hemel,st albans,and most of luton are good
mid beds and some of herts are complete loony tunes
but if you know you can factor in the lunacy
1 fella wanted a sprinkler system installed throughout the house because we were doing a loft?
Posted by mickg on 21 Nov. 2010,13:52i dare say this the norm now Luton, this was my first for many years
Posted by msh paving on 21 Nov. 2010,13:58in my area off norfolk,soakaways are 99% off the time filled with clean brick rubble,concrete or reject flints,most or the quarrys screen brick rubble for soakaways,crates are few and a long way between MSH
Posted by rab1 on 21 Nov. 2010,19:40if you think bco are bad try working for the mod, their clerk of works think the only bracket in the world is 4x2 steel.
Posted by dig dug dan on 21 Nov. 2010,20:42where in hemel tony? anywhere near me? not forgotten i need to dig your allotment over sometime!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 21 Nov. 2010,21:37just around the corner dan, cowper road, got a site visit with the bco thursday as he wants 1.8m dig for starters,
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 21 Nov. 2010,21:39stockport has just laid off all but 3 bco's for a massive area and now only do 3 site visits, as opposed to 10 that next council over do in east cheshire
down to footings, drainage and completion now. some bco's excellent the new ones just out of college with the folder open all the time are the worst, only by what there manual says not from any experience.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 27 Jan. 2011,00:54in the interests of fairness,I thought I better put some more pics up for your amusement
< recent work >
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 28 Jan. 2011,21:46Do you not have a minimum cover on the footings, we always stop the concrete 250mm short of the surface on house footings?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 28 Jan. 2011,22:39not really giles,with trench fill the higher the better as long as drains and finishes are unaffected
less bending for my old back
TBh i really enjoyed digging the last week at knebworth,theres just enough water about to make the clay diggable, 3 of us me on the breaker/fork ,hoody on the shovel and Pj on the barrow = 8 yd skip by 3 pm
in 1 3 M run we found 5 services, A digger would struggle with that
the big 1500 by 1500 pad i dug out solo in 6 hours but dont get me wrong it was nice digging
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 28 Jan. 2011,23:50All the architects up here specify it and bco like it with over not entirely sure why. Frost maybe.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 29 Jan. 2011,00:35we normally just fill up 300 below oversite level that gives us the dig for the type 1 IYKWIM, 100 crete ,80 celotex,20 sand and 100 type 1
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 29 Jan. 2011,19:03What's that salt glaze pipe? Did you cap it or just leave it and did you sheave the water main or is it just cast into the pad? And what is the building like an outside garden room?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 29 Jan. 2011,19:09the salt glaze is a kitchen waste that has to stay till the oversite gets prepped,then we will install plastic pipe and gully
the other job is indeed a sun room which flow joe kindly came down and repaired a pipe for us today
the windows are a special aluminium order and will be arriving on the 14th
more pics to follow
Posted by seanandruby on 29 Jan. 2011,21:02Thinking of replacing my old conservatory with a build like in your photos. Going to do it myself but am a bit rusty when it comes to pricing. How much would the materials cost ( going by what your quote says don't want you to spend time on it, just roughly) from the founds to complete. It'll take me a while just weekends and holidays.
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 29 Jan. 2011,21:03You still using trestles? Our bricks do but hse allwys shit a brick on anythingover 600mm without fall protection etc. Always scares me when you see 2 trestles and 20 foot plasters planks(30mm) stacked out with a massive bow least use the scaffold planks (70mm) or a third trestle hehe. Seen them snap before.
Is sun room going to be rendered? Thought you'd have matched those awful yellows hehe
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 29 Jan. 2011,21:12Guessing 3mx2m so 8mx.6x.6 = 2.88m3 in clay = 2.1 per m3 for average soil so 6.3 tons then bulking factor x 2 = 12 tons of muck out. So say 1 grab wagon.
2.88m3 of concrete back in based on a 600x600 footing as only single storey
So grab = £250
concrete = £300
Then how long it takes you to dig it out and cart it rd to grab or skip
Very general best case scenarios on prices sd maybe a little northern
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 29 Jan. 2011,22:57
the bandstands were for doing some steel work inside the house
would have a job lifting those 900 by 400 coping stones on top of a 3.6m wall using bandstands that only go to 1.4 M
yes the sun room is going to be rendered in snocrete
those awful yellows belong to a house worth over 700k,i am sure that will be some consolation to the clients
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 29 Jan. 2011,23:26some more pics
day 1 at hemel removing pergola and decking 9soon to be recycled as path edgings at my allotment)
build done and 2 motorised velux roof lights installed
mr lout in his element with his trusty bulldog "bullseye"
sadly "bullseye " proved to much for the client's polypropylene water main, after a quick weekday shower a repair was affected
nice of the gasboard to bury the gas main 50mm in the ground and then encase in concrete
on to the allotment ,this is a special one for all you pedants out there as it was done from odds and sods left over from jobs bar the 2.5M 3 of type 1 and 1.6 M3 of washed river sand (grit sand to any northerners) and 10 bags of cement
i put 1m3 of planings at the far end as this normally stirs up a hornets nest
old skool injun stone
and lastly why i should wear gloves when digging
ready for the potshots
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 29 Jan. 2011,23:39Those carrots look awful hahahaha
I have no idea what the first lot of green is on the left hehe butthought carrots would do to start. And oh no geotextile it's only 1% of the cost of a free job hahahahaha
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 29 Jan. 2011,23:55have you been wnacking again giles?
your eyesight is going mate
also if you look closely at pic1 from the lotty you will see the terram sticking up at the edges of the type 1
it was zero percent of this project as I had it in the stores
i am happy now ,I have got rid of all the oddends of paving in 1 full swoop
and i now have arguably the best path in stockwood leisure gardens <cough cough>
Posted by mickg on 30 Jan. 2011,12:30ha ha he is referring to the slightly worn in knuckles Luton...
lets not forget though he is still a young lad who wears gloves and has never gets his hands dirty, plus he has a brolly when working in the rain
nice size plot there luton with a posh path
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 30 Jan. 2011,13:04got 200 winter onions in and 100 garlic since september
still got a few leeks and Brussels left but the cauliflowers failed for the 3rd year in a row,same with swedes
got 7 lb of arran victory yesterday,and 7lb of picasso also 2 lb of sturon onion setts and 1 lb of shallots
i am trying to get the thing teed up this year before the growing season starts in april, its a great feeling seeing stuff you have grown end up on the plate
also the onions make me cry
when was the last time supermarket onions did that?
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 30 Jan. 2011,13:53Haha that's not me on roller that's our 56 year old foreman, and I only wear gloves when dealing with cement or sewage but not always my hands are as rough and scared, but bricks do tend to have it worse with drying out and cracking. My mates whos a bricki pees on his swears by it
I guess it the onions I was referring to first patch of green on the left of path small green shoots like big chives?
If you were closer I'd come run the rotator over it for you and I do a few jobs emptying muck heaps for horsey types when you get ton the button it's like black sludge nicely rotted down perfect for veg.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 30 Jan. 2011,14:51they are garlic and winter onions giles,i'll send ya some when they are ready,make your eyes water
we could do with you down here
3 local farmers with manure heaps like a pair of semis
£35 for a 3tonner wagon full delivered,but every time i ring them,its "ring us baack in a couple o' weeks bhoy"
i thought farmers were money mad?
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 30 Jan. 2011,19:55Try a livery yard or riding school or private ladies with horses offer to empty it for them, I build simple block 3 sided ones on concrete bases then empty them every 6 months or so. But private ppl with 2/3 horses ponies bedding on straw is what you want. Normally first bit is to fresh all straw etc but the bottom bit is well rotted black sludge.
I know a few ppl who let gardeners come with bags and take it. If you had tipper etc you could collect and pile it at allotment and leave it 6 months be good stuff, it's easy light stuff to shovel
Posted by rab1 on 30 Jan. 2011,21:06giles if you were only in scotland i`d take it all, my roses love this stuff
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 31 Jan. 2011,01:26i can get fresh all day long but as you correctly say its the black gold is where its at
problem is all the horsey places tend to dump the straw manure down the end of their field so its never easy to access without a 4WD
had some rocking spuds last year but used 5 cabstar full of manure
i dont know how they get veg in the shops,there is that much against ya when you are growing,slugs,mice,foxes(yes foxes eat veg when the notion takes them) pigeons,magpies,black-green-white fly, aphids, click beetles,moasaic virus,blight, earwigs, woodlice,wireworm (my personal nemesis)
i read in the paper last week that an allotment saves you 1500 quid a year on shopping!!!
last year had maybe 100lb spuds ,50 lb runner beans,25 cabbages,15lb parsnips, 100 carrots,
swedes failed,cauli failed, 10 lb brussells ,gooseberries,redcurrants,apples,pears,blackcurrants, and raspberries total 3 raspberries
10 corn on the cob, 4 pumpkins,15 courgettes,10 lb french beans,
mange tout failed,sunflowers all seeds eaten by mice
50lb of onions and 100 garlic
now if this is all the lout family had to eat last year I wouldn't be anywhere near my career heaviest weight of 18 stone
Posted by flowjoe on 31 Jan. 2011,19:18Ha. crisps and chocolate for breakfast wont help either Mr Lout
Posted by haggistini on 31 Jan. 2011,20:37i was lucky to get a local allotment about 100M2 turned it over but just never got the time to tend to it with work and all so i let it go had big ideas of a kitchen garden and brewing my own cider ....... maybe when im poping on a bit
Posted by haggistini on 31 Jan. 2011,20:54p.s. both hands in the same boat LLL from whacking cookies setts in last week think it was the cold wind, lips and face are as dry as a nuns .... too
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 01 Feb. 2011,00:47
i didn't hear you and tommy say no to those?
or to the breakfast baguettes?
i reckon its the brown sauce that puts the weight on
would you believe i was 7 1/2 stone when i left school?
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 01 Feb. 2011,08:39Few years ago I went from 21 stone to 14.6 in 6 months to get a girl hehe then put it back on over the years I just love my food hehe
Posted by haggistini on 01 Feb. 2011,12:32im a fat barsteward 18stone i was tight head prop in school 13 stone at 13 yrs old i gotta shift a bit this year as i cant keep up with my 3 yr old boy
Posted by Pablo on 01 Feb. 2011,18:42
Was that primary school Tony.
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 01 Feb. 2011,19:04Me to haggi 13 stone at 13 played tight headband can play loose if I have to, not played for a few years was 18 stone before Xmas 19.4 this morning but heading for the gym now. Always start my new yearsvresolutions in feb hehe. Brew cabin slimmers club?
Was great being 14 stone though having been a big lad all through my teens To be 24 and slim hadvavfab two years shame I met me lads mum lol joking aside my lads 3 in June so want him to be proud of his daddy hehe.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 01 Feb. 2011,20:07
believe it or not paul i was only 4 stone when i went up to senior school,the only sport i did well at, at school was cross country running
the one thing i do find is that with a bit of weight behind you digging is easy,when i started in the building game a fork seemed like the enemy,now its just like an extension to my arm and leg
however looking to the future 18 st is way too heavy for 5'10"
the problem is what can you eat at work that isnt fattening and fills you up?
i suppose less is the obvious answer
Posted by Dave_L on 01 Feb. 2011,20:45I'm 13st and remain so whatever I eat.
For the moment, then when I reach 40 in 18mths time............oh dear
Posted by haggistini on 01 Feb. 2011,20:46its not the fact that i eat allot its what its washed down with after work that spoils a days sweat on the shovel
Posted by cookiewales on 01 Feb. 2011,21:05
he ha hagis walking around morrisons after a hard day on the sets you could shovel up all them reduced pies kebads and crisps but the man had worked hard .my newborn due 8 may want to lose weight am hovering on 24 stone allwayes been big but big push to loose some now beer has to go will wait after six natsions rugby comes first
Posted by haggistini on 01 Feb. 2011,21:16i did have a small salad tho and i cramed it in!! good luck with the birth i got a choriba cigar for u
Posted by Injured on 01 Feb. 2011,21:59In last 4 months I have managed to get from 18 1/2 stone dwon to 16 6 as of last night.
Just been eating less and lifting weights every night after work. also long walks with dogs.
Hoping to get back training down at rugby club too I too was 13stone at 13 and played the best postion on the park prop.
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 01 Feb. 2011,22:08I'm not a big boozer anymore, rugby days 23 pints of bitter on a Sunday after an under 18s game was a regular thing hehe. Hit 22 stone living in Germany I'll find some pics all that good beer and rich food hehe. My dads said he'll pay off my student loan if I get back to 14st so better get on it. Wanting a hot tub as well being a single lad hehe
Posted by haggistini on 01 Feb. 2011,23:10hot tub! would rather a ducati summers coming!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 Feb. 2011,00:13latest pics,we are out of the footings now and over site is in
had loads of grief here with invert levels and many hidden services
found the old 2" water main which had conveniently been left live in the ground in 1963
anyway 500 by 500 by 9M c35 ground beam installed on right hand side on the 3 pads, the USBs are 215 by 215 65kg encased all round with 125mm of concrete
all this is to stop next doors extension slipping into ours
old 2 " water supply located whilst installing a back inlet gully
finally PJ in action
or brokeback as we call him due to his back being made of china
and finally 1 for giles
north herts at dawn
more to follow
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 Feb. 2011,23:25and on it goes 6months into "recent work" thread and i have decided to give photobucket a try,image shack keeps dying on me
oversite prepped and laid
decided it is better to put the 189 KG USB in now rather than when the roof is on,sadly the apparent flemish bond was in fact 2 kins of 4" brickwork with no wall ties
still we prevailed
padstones built and steel installed and bricked up
and signed off by Mr. Lout
needles in right through house steel ready for the big lift
and of course for those that thought "how did he do that?"
the answer ===> a genie lift
a priceless invention for stuff of this nature
photobucket failed try again here
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 Feb. 2011,23:27think i know what to do with photobucket next time
ps nota bene all the stains down the walls from using the water bottle with the stihl to cut the slots out
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 09 Feb. 2011,23:38Nice work Tony, I always sign and date stuff so maybe in 50 years someone will be up in a roof I've done and see giles 2011 on a spar or truss hehe
Those genies are great, real handy bits to have what do youpay about £100 a day hire?
You ever use the strong boys, we have a few but made out of 10mm steel
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 Feb. 2011,23:49I have 2 strong boys laying in my lock up and that is where they will stay
caused more problems than they are worth and IMHO are a waste of time
far too much deflection in them
if i needle the wall with those 90 by 90 box steels it will not move 1 mm
the strong boys ,when i believed the hype, basically were not up to heavy duty building work
also they tended to get right in the way of the steel
might use them putting a lintel in over a door but other than that they fail
Posted by ilovesettsonmondays on 10 Feb. 2011,09:21i used them genies once to put a couple of rsj up ,over an indoor swimming pool . didnt they were going to be able to do the job to be honest . was proved wrong . great bit of kit.
Posted by rab1 on 10 Feb. 2011,20:34we use them (genie hoists) every day, carrying them up and down stairs etc and i still want to meet the man that called the genie sl 25 a lightweight hoist and then drop one on him so he can the find out how lightweight it is.
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 10 Feb. 2011,20:44we lifted a 2 ton steel (30 foot long 12"x18") in to 40 foot high with two of the big uns, had them creaking and deflecting hehe, on the second steel we got another genie in the middle hehe.
going for about a grand on ebay < http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Genie-S....wt_1156 >
Posted by Bob_A on 10 Feb. 2011,21:17That made laugh
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 Feb. 2011,23:39keeping it real bob_a
the reason we did the steel now is that once the roof goes on it will be nearly impossible to get it in
we managed to do it without any loss of plaster in the living room or kitchen,sadly the steel is 205mm and the bedroom floor joists are only 150 so we did lose some plaster in the back bedroom but thats getting sorted wednesday
re: genie lifts, on first sight you think uh oh?
but they are a great bit of kit
a steel like that would have needed 5 men and a lot of mucking around
as it was 2 of us managed it no problem
Posted by rab1 on 11 Feb. 2011,17:47we use the hoists to lift major bits of plant etc, only ever seen a fail once in 20yrs.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 22 Feb. 2011,19:24saw this plonker pull out in front of me today
candidate for a darwin award surely?
anyway cracked on at knebworth,all brickwork is finished now but i only had the camera at the half way stage
started on the school job,lots and lots of fencing etc etc.
all in a good cause
2 days in and we will be pouring the oversite tomorrow at 2PM BCO permitting
Posted by Stuarty on 22 Feb. 2011,20:16The guy driving the silver motor must be as thick as two short planks!
(can you see what i did there... yeah, ill grab my coat )
Posted by digerjones on 22 Feb. 2011,20:18tony, what gavity size do you do, and insulation. last few i have done was 100mm gavity and kingspan clipped to block work.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 22 Feb. 2011,20:33its been 100mm cavity for 3-4 years now round here
we use a special fibreglass called dritherm32 that is 85mm wide,but once opened fits nice in a 100mm cavity
in certain areas they want celotex but not here yet
the guy in the car was risking his own and other peoples lives
what a donut!
Posted by haggistini on 22 Feb. 2011,20:37last time i had the joy of fitting an RSJ was at my sisters house, we pushed it through an upstairs window and i stayed ground level holding it while everyone ran up stairs and just as it got passed the tipping point it flew up ripping my hand to bits on the cut steel and lifted me off my feet NOT NICE
LLL nice work there...!!! ive had a nightmare over the last few days waiting for the right size blocks and dealing with a customers ever changing needs.....
Posted by digerjones on 22 Feb. 2011,21:43sorry tony, i ment to say cavity. with the 100mm, you put 50mm celotex and have 50mm open cavity. i thought full filled cavity was not done anymore, but hey i'm only a digger driver.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 22 Feb. 2011,22:01yeah i spotted that but hey ho!
I just build to building regs Dylan,what they ask for, we do
same yourself I am sure
Posted by Mikey_C on 23 Feb. 2011,21:46i had a national company round to give me quote for cavity wall installation. on a reasonable sized 4 bed detached house they wanted £150 from me, the rest would be obtained from the energy company. he said they do alot of new builds, instead of buying and brickies pi55ing around fitting insulation, they just pitch up afterwards and bob's your uncle.
Posted by haggistini on 23 Feb. 2011,21:51drilling face brick nasty??
Posted by digerjones on 23 Feb. 2011,22:10think they just drill through compo joint haggi
Posted by henpecked on 23 Feb. 2011,22:33
Yes, we have got the same quote. I think its £200 for the roof to 175mm too.
as for drilling the face bricks, we did a job where they had the renderer's in a week before the cavity guys, we had to send them inside and drill through the plaster boards
They do drill the joints and make good after ,can be almost invisible after a bit of weathering ;)
Posted by digerjones on 24 Feb. 2011,00:05
wondered what you meant drilling through plaster board, you mead inside skin [blockwork]
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 05 Mar. 2011,14:39been very busy lately
so will have to play catch up with photos
had a surprise visitor today
the south has been blessed by his presence
anyway after a pleasant chat back to the school job
all built roof on and ready for the felters
not bad going for 10 days
window blocked up and new door opening formed
yet more roof lights
these seem to be de rigeur on any flat #roof job now
more pics to come next week
Posted by Dave_L on 05 Mar. 2011,14:51Great picture Tony!
We should have a BC get-together sometime y'know
Posted by Pablo on 05 Mar. 2011,15:29Gaffers got a good tan for early march.
Posted by Stumpyclifford on 06 Mar. 2011,09:25LLL is that school (Hillborough Junior) in Houghton Regis if so I went there as a nipper. i thought they had knocked it down and built houses on the plot.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 06 Mar. 2011,11:25nah its in farley hill luton mate,by corncastle road
think the one you mentioned was razed
Posted by haggistini on 06 Mar. 2011,13:25pushed on there LLL whats next on the agenda?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 06 Mar. 2011,17:18more internal stuff to do at knebworth this week then off to norf lahndan,red buses and that to remedy a failed retaining wall
things seem busy round these parts ,had 2 enquiries today
Posted by haggistini on 06 Mar. 2011,18:35me 2 LLL 300m2 starting tomorrow and lots in the pipeline fingers crossed
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 06 Mar. 2011,19:22its the usual craic,a nice day and people think
"I will ring up that builder,who has been sitting idly by the phone for the last 4 months"
then they get upset when you cant start next tuesday
Posted by digerjones on 07 Mar. 2011,22:59
build it better this time
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 08 Mar. 2011,03:28someone else built it first time dylan, we were too dear
so now the client is paying the cheapest and the most expensive price for the same job if you get me
steep learning curve
Posted by haggistini on 08 Mar. 2011,19:16
300m2 down the pan today labour only gutted some people want things for fu*k all hours on autoCAD down the pan lots of larger i think.........
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 08 Mar. 2011,22:23what went wrong haggi
we had another 2 jobs pulled from under us recently
thing is if you ask them to sign a contract they get all twitchy,but if they dont they can pull out at any time till the start
we have a big one starting in 2 weeks and that will see us for 3 months,have bought 10,000 bricks for it and if he pulls out its curtains
anyway back to now
the guiness tree is in blossom
one for you older fellas,my muck hod ,which has been safely stored for ooowww 15 years or so
160 M2 of geogrid which has been nicely clogging up the lock up for 2 years
chimney breast removed in knebworth
door cut out and stitch drilled in knebworth
roof on and front bricked up ready for window (was fitted today but no camera)
remember the LLL steel? thats it up high on the right
the clients new shabby chic kitchen,very minimalist
mrs.louts first sight of me when i got home yesterday,luckily we hit a rich seam of soot in the old chimney and those 10 bob dust masks make all the difference NOT
ready for all the barbs
Posted by local patios and driveways on 08 Mar. 2011,22:30mrs doubtfire? is that you?
Posted by digerjones on 08 Mar. 2011,23:14what hair conditioner do you use
Posted by haggistini on 08 Mar. 2011,23:21WHAT TAKE 2 BOTTLES IN TO THE SHOWER!
Posted by henpecked on 08 Mar. 2011,23:26
was thinking the foundation was a bit harsh meself ..........
Posted by henpecked on 08 Mar. 2011,23:33Speaking of recent work..........
Ive been under the doctor for a bit.
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 08 Mar. 2011,23:51whys the bit where you mask was dirtyier than the bit exposed to the dirt haha,
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 Mar. 2011,00:05thats what you get with a 10 bob dust mask
we were ok till we got the bin liner of soot
got a respirator in the pick up but find it hard to breath
Posted by henpecked on 09 Mar. 2011,00:14found those rubber ones with the double filters are good for that sort of work. Those monkey faced jobs are a waste of time
Posted by haggistini on 09 Mar. 2011,00:40best kept for raves
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 16 Mar. 2011,22:49started in london today on the failed retaining wall
see if you can spot the problem?
1M high wall removed
hmm footing seems a little short of existing ground level
i wonder what they used for shuttering?
at least it was braced===> against next doors garage roof
huge unequivocal FAIL
will post more pics as we remedy the wall
Posted by henpecked on 17 Mar. 2011,13:22
Chuff me , that's bodgery of the highest order . Surprised they could get so close to the wall with those clown shoes on
Posted by dig dug dan on 17 Mar. 2011,20:40
it must be amusing to see the customers face when they try to explain the failed job, and the fact they turned you down first time round!!
Posted by rab1 on 17 Mar. 2011,20:54at the end of the day you get what you pay for....!.
In our game the multi national main contractors etc used to take 5 quotes and dismiss the highest and lowest and then choose between the 3 on who they wanted to do the job, now they just choose the lowest and then complain about the standard of service they receive.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 18 Mar. 2011,21:49new founds hand dug now,trench is now 1500mm below block drive level,pouring in the morning
had camera today but the battery died on me so will get a snap in the morning
the neighbours cannot understand what the first guy did wrong?
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 18 Mar. 2011,22:06you hand dug to 1.5m hope you had trench shoring ;)
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 19 Mar. 2011,00:18sure did ,pictures will reveal all
Posted by rimexboy on 19 Mar. 2011,00:39LLL does london job... you get around ... what a bodge that was....
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 19 Mar. 2011,13:048 am this morning red buses and that
ready for concrete
concrete in by 10AM smiles all round
remove shutters and block work monday
Posted by rimexboy on 19 Mar. 2011,13:33nice work the blocks on the neighbours are naff they must have been to the pub before work when they did them
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 19 Mar. 2011,14:27ah right so was only like 250 down below next doors ground level, rimex i think the blocks are the clients hehe
Posted by rimexboy on 19 Mar. 2011,15:35
oh dear oh dear
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 19 Mar. 2011,16:19
believe it or not giles the trench was 400mm below the clients side
my remit is to leave the block paving as i found it
its all very complicated and i cant talk about the ins and outs here ,but once again the old adage "pay cheap ,pay twice" comes in to play
Posted by mickavalon on 19 Mar. 2011,18:53Why is it that when you price to put something right for someone, they immediatley reckon it should be loads cheaper than they originally paid. No one seems to grasp the fact that you've usually got to rip it up and start again, I really hate the look of self pity you always get, as if your supposed to sort their problems for free or as near as. Have you ever had the one were a quote you did comes back after a few months and says the company they went with f@#*%d up and can you sort it..I love that!!
Posted by haggistini on 20 Mar. 2011,00:00tidy pour down the fence tho
Posted by haggistini on 20 Mar. 2011,00:05tidy work there LLL
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 22 Mar. 2011,19:30fired up and leanmixed the blocks yesterday
then slashed up the wall today,800 bricks done by 1
would have finished the main wall but jewsons sent out a menagerie of class bs instead of the class As i asked for
the usual craic they were hidden under the cement
block paving is gonna look tatty against the new wall but my remit is to leave it alone
great day for laying bricks today,overcast and not too cold,plus for some reason wobbly got the muck just right?
Posted by cookiewales on 22 Mar. 2011,20:23nice work lll i would need to slim to get down there he he
Posted by rimexboy on 22 Mar. 2011,20:31LLL are you sure your wall is straight... or is it the blocks thats pis5ed:D
looks very lush for a london job...
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 22 Mar. 2011,20:38its as per the party wall agreement simon
I find it a bit tight down there myself cookie,send the 12 stoner down there to joint up
its in a very leafy suburb only 35 mins from luton
cookie knows what i mean though,some days things just seem to fly,i couldn't believe it was only 1pm and we had ran out of bricks
wish every day went like today
Posted by rimexboy on 22 Mar. 2011,22:02LLL while your there change the corner braket on the guttering....
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 April 2011,04:13corner bracket changed rimex
(and i did actually change it)
onwards and upwards
new job started monday
bit of demo to kick things off
so 5 skips of hardcore taken away,roof timbers recycled to the allotment association
messr Digdugdan kindly hired us a crusher and a further skip ful of hardcore becomes 10 tonnes of type 1
save the planet
tomorrows job stripping this roof
anyone need 1400 plain clay tiles
going cheep cheep
footings monday at the other job
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 April 2011,15:18roof all gone ,timber gone to allotment and tiles going on ebay
beautiful day down here in sunny luton!
anyone fancy a virtual peesh up?
Posted by dig dug dan on 09 April 2011,17:32looks good tony (although i did see it first hand). What are you doing up at 4 in the morning?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 April 2011,17:45the early bird catches the worm
Posted by digerjones on 09 April 2011,20:44tony, could'nt you have crushed all the hardcore and got rid of it somewhere else. even crushed it into the skip and done a deal with skip firm. only my thoughts. i live in the countryside with plenty of room.
Posted by haggistini on 09 April 2011,23:02How long would it take to crush 10T with that size crusher tony?
A couple of snaps
Let's hope the weather stays like this...
Posted by ilovesettsonmondays on 10 April 2011,00:41nice work hag, how much do the little setts cost a metre and how many in a crate or will they split a crate .
Posted by Mikey_C on 10 April 2011,08:04me and the old man (aka not so quick on his feet now days) did 14 overflowing ton bags in about 7 hours, loading by hand.
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 10 April 2011,08:27Nice work tony, make sure they get you to sort the paving out hehe
did you get rid of the tiles? Our local roofing supply/contractor will buy most roofs and come strip them for you etc
Most skips places either deliver the hardcore direct for sub base etc fill in bad ground or have the big crushers and crush it themselves. What's it work out at?I Can buy 20 tons of virgin limestone mot for £220 Inc vat at mo, so you've got say £70-90 labour, then the cost of the hire? Does the math work out for a lesser product?
Is it per dtp type 1 803 sieve sizing? Seems some large stuff at bottom of piles Inc half bricks, is it more "hard core" as opposed to type 1 in a true technical sense?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 April 2011,11:01it took the labourer 6 hours to crush the pile,its only guestimate on the amounts as its hard to tell
about 1.5 skips clean hardcore = £225 to remove
plus would need to import 10-12 tonnes of type 1 = £250
so roughly £475
crusher hire £150
labourer say 2 days to include moving the stuff £160
so there is a saving,the thing to remember is that the crusher has 1 speed,in the past we have had 2 men loading and its too much and just slows it down,1 man loading and moving the crusher works well
also we had to use water as the dust was quite bad
i asked the BCO and she said as long as it goes through a 35mm gap its fine to use,the 2 half batts were a brick that paul noticed after we had finished and washed the crusher. i said throw it on the pile
the crusher works well but you need the room
most of our jobs we dont have the room so the stuff gets binned
the 1 thing it does do is it helps people with their eco aspirations,that job is having 30k of solar panels fitted so re suing the aggregate helps their green credentials
i wouldnt say its an inferior product,as we did it our selves we know there is no mud,cement bags or timber in it
BTW very nice work haggi ,a man after my own heart with all those lines
Posted by msh paving on 10 April 2011,13:08
with our micro crushers the finished product size can be adjusted from 70mm to 15\20mm type 1 sizing is no problem,the larger crush size quicker it is,i usually do the last 3-4t to 30mm for final grading,your lucky you can buy limestone at that price last week in bedford i was paying £15t for granet fill from croft quarry near MT sorrel,.type 1 with ticket £16t, east anglia price for type one ranges £15-22 ton crushed concrete or crushed rail ballast to type 1 is £16t MSH
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 10 April 2011,14:31lll only say inferrior due to that study i found where it showed the los angeles wearing test result from crushed brick was like 500 compared to limestone which was 5000 or something i posted it on that thread, but most bought in crusher run has everyting inc the kitchen sink in it
mark we are in the heart of the penines lots of mountains to dig out and crush hehe hence cheap stone etc
Posted by dig dug dan on 10 April 2011,14:51there is rumour of an aggregate tax coming in on quarried stone, in order to try and make us all recycle, yet on the other hand, the crusher operators licences make it costly to own anything bigger than 15hp you can't win with the government!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 April 2011,16:03the bricks we crushed were all semi engineering types so i guess they will hold up
its the transport costs that add up down south
mind you we get sand a lot cheaper as we have multiple sand pits in a 10 miles radius
just no stone
Posted by rab1 on 10 April 2011,16:10lets face it, your not building the m6 and the stuff you crushed looks good and should be fit for use.
all of the major multi nationals recycle all of the material from demo works.
Posted by dig dug dan on 10 April 2011,18:48I have one builder over in potters bar who crushes everything on the smallest setting, mixes it with sand and cement, and chucks it in as footings!
The building inspector passes it, so it cannot be too bad!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 April 2011,18:48i sat on a patio today on top of 450mm of self crushed brick and its hasn't got 1 crack after 4 years
the landscapers laid 4 flags extra at Christmas in the garden and 3 are rocking
Posted by Stuarty on 10 April 2011,19:07Id have thought a chair would have been a little more comfortable ;) Aslong as it whacks solid enough i dont see the problem in using it under patios and pedestrain paths. Alot of our waste is taken away by a local firm who recycle it. Dont get me wrong some of the stuff you get out of the place is not that great, but you can always find some use for it somewhere
Posted by michaelthegardener on 10 April 2011,20:34decided it was time to dust off the moulds i bought about 4 years back
and my favorite one
Posted by msh paving on 10 April 2011,20:45a few off my recent work,take a few vmins to look through and all comments recived.....the pix of the guys on jackhammers and the dogey blockwork is irianian builders in london,i was just digger driver....
< pull up a chaur and put kettle on >
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 April 2011,23:03very nice stuff there mark
like the cat step,i would stick a claymore mine just outside that
Posted by henpecked on 11 April 2011,12:46
Wow, you live and learn
Posted by rab1 on 11 April 2011,20:57nice work there mark, quality shines throwout
Posted by haggistini on 11 April 2011,21:21
about £30 M2 if you look about and about 800 per crate these 1's are tumbled mixed brown
Posted by haggistini on 12 April 2011,10:18Brett sunset nice colours
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 12 April 2011,16:25very nice haggi
more pics please
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 12 April 2011,16:46busy couple of days for us
ripper in action
9 cube went in today , 5 grabs out so far and more to come
another 12 cube for Thursday PM
Posted by haggistini on 12 April 2011,17:07Nice clean trenches LLL
BBQ Sunday was gonna thro it out as the gas ring was dodgy but just filled it with charcoal and doubled up as fire !!!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 12 April 2011,17:18is that your patio haggi?
the one with no pointing??
I only ask cos my drive still has "temporary" shingle over crazy paving 5 years later
never seem to get the time or the money to do it
nice cuts round that IC,what pointing you using?
Posted by Pablo on 12 April 2011,17:22I like your fancy shmancy tilting ditching bucket Luton
Posted by haggistini on 12 April 2011,17:25Not my gaff my brother on law's my sister layed them about 6 years ago....
I'm going for the brush in stuff I was going to instamac it on cookies advise but I'll wait till I see him doing it later this year..
Posted by haggistini on 12 April 2011,17:27Oh yeah nice Bucky I like that they should all have them!!!
Posted by dig dug dan on 13 April 2011,21:23some of my work. I know its been asked of me to put some picture on so here goes:
Started this on Monday
Job : Replace existing walls. Rip out shrubs and trees. Rip up tarmac, extend drive and replace with shingle. new lawn
Before pics :
end of day two:
The tarmac ranged from 2" thick to 10mm! and it was laid on ballast and soft sand!
more to follow as soon as i have taken them!!
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 13 April 2011,21:41i like that titlting grader, was looking at one for 3 ton on ebay, £1200+ vat but weve done without upto now so think we'll stick to a trusty shovel haha
like the ripper as well saves having the breaker even though i spotted it in the background.
what was the little bit of rebar mesh for tony?
lovely work hagi, i like those little sets used them rd a hot tub on a job put pointed them old fashioned way haha was fun. did you design it or tony design it?
i like that stone youve used looks nice when wet
can you crush asphalt or does it get stuck in crusher?
Posted by dig dug dan on 13 April 2011,21:53
you can, but for what purpose would you then want to use it??
We have been crushing on site today, and have been chucking the tarmac in a skip.
A builder friend of mine stopped and asked why i wasn't crushing it up for sub base, and i told him it was a definite no-no. He said "rubbish!".
You can't tell some people
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 13 April 2011,21:57i just saw the crusher on the wagon, crush it into the skip save space haha, then demand reduce rate as they can sell i to someone who'll mix it with diesel and it'll be like new tarmac( for anyone reading it this is said very tongue in cheek, do not do it)
maybe your potters bar guy could mix it with cement and use it as footings haha,
Posted by dig dug dan on 13 April 2011,21:58giles, the machine on the truck is actually the shredder. Similar colour but it hates concrete, loves wood. funnily enough the crusher loves concrete but hates wood
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 13 April 2011,22:03did think it looked bigger, but thought it might be a newer one, does wood stick in the jaws? wrecking bar job? or just splinter it?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 13 April 2011,22:42the mesh was for the day joint in the pour
instead of having rebard sticking out cut 2 sections of mesh 500 by 2000mm bend to an L shape and have 2 in the pour
today i just kangoed a little bit of concrete away to bend them down after the digger driver has dug the trench
It was a NHBC man that gave me that tip,pain in the rear trying to dig round rebar
we had 9 yesterday and probably 11 tomorrow
thats why i like the volumetrics==> no part loads
all the kit belongs to john the machine man,I kid you not he dug off the oversite and it is like a pool table,i just follow him with the staff and the laser receiver
I was in the skip yard yesterday and saw their big timber shredder in action there, pallets turned into chips in like 5 seconds,i would guess it weighs 15 tonne,plus the guy on the grabber crane loading it
skip yards are pure plant porn nowadays hehe
nice work dan
Posted by haggistini on 14 April 2011,16:45More pics LLL ...
Hope to wrap it up next week after all these bloody cuts and curves are out the way!
Posted by dig dug dan on 14 April 2011,18:01looking forward to seeing that pointed up hag!
Posted by haggistini on 14 April 2011,18:02Me 2
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 14 April 2011,18:48your an artist haggi
those curved cuts are something else
just that 1 35mm joint on the inner circle looks a bit off to my critical eye?
I only mention it because the rest is so prefect
i know how difficult it is cutting Indian stone to circles
Posted by haggistini on 14 April 2011,19:09I shall rectify the swine in morning!!
Posted by dig dug dan on 14 April 2011,20:13right. heres the pictures at the end of day four
Footings poured. Crushing done. bricks moved in. Skip full. threshold concreted ready for pavers
the pile of crushed to spread and the leftover readymix
the latest addition to the fleet moving the bricks
comments always welcome:)
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 14 April 2011,21:11that is indeed, an identical handler to the guy we use dan
I wont pass any comment on the step footings ,other than to say its obvious it wasnt a bricklayer that laid them
we were 2 cube short today and the ground workers said "we can just step it down"
i said "lets just get another 2 cube"
you have certainly cracked on in a week,I bet the client is happy
Posted by dig dug dan on 14 April 2011,21:21
AH! i am glad you spotted that. Although it doesn't look it,
We VERY carefully set out our footings by banging in metal pins to the height we want using a laser level. Then to mark a step in the footing, we drop in 75mm increments.
All the steps you see are just that 75mm or 150mm. This means when the brickies arrive, they have no problems!
It takes a bit more time and effort to do, and the calcs for the readymix can be harder, but worth it.
We matched up to the old footing that was staying, and stepped it down to suit too!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 14 April 2011,21:45i would prefer a nosebleed than 10 steps IYKWIM
but if you did it with the laser then i stand corrected
last pull today
always a last shovel the digger cannot get
and last but not least "tiffles" my chinese crested powder puff blue, a proper man's dog all 3KG of him
all comments etc welcome
11.25 M3 in today,that wall wont be moving
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 15 April 2011,00:09gay dog ;) haha
saffy our 10 st 1.2 metre high irish wolfhound
like the little extension chute for the volumetric, how do you find the mix on the volumetrics had bad experience with poorly mixed crete from them.
dan what strength mix is that c15? id have gone full depth and level let the brickies come up in concrete commons/engineers etc. you not use a timber shutter to get a clean edge on the steps?
what was that before tony? 300mm crete then bricks then more crete? on the pic with the staff that is.
and tony groundworkers are always right haha, not the brickies lol ;)
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 15 April 2011,11:20it was the old foundations we had to break through to get the new depth of 1800 giles
the crowd we use custom concrete work the motorway as well and they only use gravel and grit sand,never all in ballast,as thats where the problems lie
and tiffles would knock your dog out with 1 paw
£7 a month for food, how much does saffi eat?
Posted by DNgroundworks on 15 April 2011,15:23Real nice work there haggi, i lay a lot of them small setts, they really do finish the job i think, who does your designing?
Posted by haggistini on 15 April 2011,20:21I wouldn't want a bite off either dog as the neck and ankle are quite tender places for K9's to be latched on to ........@ DN I do my own drawings with auto CAD they are only basic but give the customer a good idea what the job will look like and help me to get the quantitys and setting out bang on .
Posted by dig dug dan on 15 April 2011,20:42
its gen 1. If i went full depth, its more soil to get rid of, more bricks and more labour. Its only going to be 6 courses high. No need for wooden shuttering when the bricks will just step over them and they are hidden, so thye do not need to be a clean edge.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 16 April 2011,03:20
I wouldn't describe haggis drawings as basic dan
they are far far better than your average bloke can do
and as for 6 course walls I have seen them built of a layer of levelled sand due to a book called " the knack" hehe
Posted by haggistini on 16 April 2011,07:30Thanks tony but they are basic compared to the gaffers I just make sure when I sketch the job out that I take every measurement possible including any angles as they tend to throw you out on the drawing . It's not that difficult to transfer your sketch to cad it just takes time to learn the software . What I find hard is dropping in the detail of slabs and setts
Posted by haggistini on 21 April 2011,20:46Yet more sick cuts.... My head was fire today and we had a freeky shower about 2:30 that was welcomed.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 21 April 2011,21:49awesome work haggi
2 things i would pick you up on are no guard on the 100mm cutter and 240 power
danger and double danger
the quality of the cutting is the finest
what did you use to core the holes for the lights?
I had to core some 180mm holes in sandstone a few years ago and it cost an arm and a leg for a special pillar diamond core cutter,mind you the sandstone was 50mm thick in them days
I bet they are happy
Posted by cookiewales on 22 April 2011,06:38a patio to new house in brough east riding was a sloping garden take a browse < http://s742.photobucket.com/albums....20tears >
Posted by haggistini on 22 April 2011,07:15Nice use of timber bigman don't see it enough . Looks the biz are those setts aplenty?
@ LLL yes I have been a bit stupid with the grinder and will need to invest in 110 kit just thought I'd show how I got the cuts done.
The holes were cut with a makita hole kit I needed a 185 mm for uplighters but will have to grind the backs off to get them flush now .. Will put guard back on before something go's bad.
Ps cookie i got a tidy pad for your slab sucker and spare battery!
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 22 April 2011,07:57lovely work hag, they come up great when wet. lot easier to cut with a 100mm disc than a 300mm disc on a stihl saw but no wet supression, cough cough haha
What did you use to markyoyr curves I always use some heavy hose or steel cable holds it's shape well in curves
i like those little sets, remember a job from tonys blog in ireland where theyd used those double strips and liked them then. going to use them in my next design.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 22 April 2011,21:20looks nice cookie
what was the reason for timber in the patio?
think i said it before haggi but a mate of mine got blinded in 1 eye cleaning the mixer out with a hammer
I know it sous old hat but you only get 2 eyes
lovely work BTW
Posted by cookiewales on 22 April 2011,21:45timber in patio buget was tight so timber was best opption is new and preasure treated and will always dry out when wet paid 14 50 per lenght 2.4x200x100 very strong dowel bars into concrete footing
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 23 April 2011,12:47onwards and upwards,been a very busy week
8 cu M soakaway
ground beam ready for c35 concrete (done thursday)
back inlet gully
and yesterday me and the boys fired up a conservatory base
window fitter amended the design so 22 bricks short had go back today
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 23 April 2011,12:49hmmm double pic
Posted by digerjones on 23 April 2011,13:05tony frog up or down? whats the rules?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 23 April 2011,15:30most site agents will say frog up is stronger,but there isnt a bricklayer alive that hasnt laid frog down at 1 time or another
on the conservatory base we went frog down as the frogs are tiny on those bricks so it makes no difference,on london brick the frogs are big so best to lay frog up if possible
Posted by DNgroundworks on 23 April 2011,16:06@ Hagg is google sketch up good enough for designing gardens and the like or is autocad the only way?
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 23 April 2011,16:21i use google sketchup for my designs for customers see this thread
< http://www.pavingexpert.com/cgi-bin....;t=9065 >
its easier imho than autocad as well
Posted by haggistini on 23 April 2011,18:41I'm impressed at the progress of your work LLL @ DN & Giles I did download sketch up but didn't give a go. After seeing those drawings I'll be having a go its much more representative look than I can manage on auto cad at the moment. We should start a thead on this.. Q&A on garden design should throw up some nice trends and ideas for us all.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 24 April 2011,03:39i would love to be on the slabs like you haggi but the money is in pen and paper side of things
Posted by haggistini on 24 April 2011,07:30What your off the tools??
Posted by dig dug dan on 24 April 2011,10:04the job now finished
Gravel down. Pavers in for drive threshold. Wall finished. Brick edge done. Lawn laid
The front wall which i know some were worried about the footing Brickies said all the steps were spot on. No bricks had to be cut
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 24 April 2011,13:06
no but what i mean is that there is more money to be made on the admin side of things,organising blokes ,materials etc etc
Posted by Dave_L on 24 April 2011,13:37Very true Tony.
One slip of the pen or calculator when arriving at a lump sum price for a job could spell disaster.........unless you are very methodical.
Taking the time to find the best prices/terms for materials can often make or break jobs too.
Posted by rab1 on 24 April 2011,14:41nice looking job dan.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 24 April 2011,15:38very nice job there dan,A total transformation
and at a good pace too
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 27 April 2011,21:44onwards and upwards with the latest job
did 12 tonnes of type1 yesterday wacked then 150 of jablite and DPM
concrete was due at 12 today but didn't show till 2.15
none the less it was all in and tamped by 4pm
had to go back and finish the garage floor at 7pm tonight
went to a show sunday and saw this beauty
apparently all painted by hand in pakistan
every bedford truck we ever had was a rust bucket liability
Posted by London Stone Paving on 27 April 2011,22:01Nice concreting work there Tony. Clean as a whistle.
Maybe you could come and have a chat with a few of my lads. They dont seem to understand the concept of tidy as you go
Posted by London Stone Paving on 27 April 2011,22:09Tremendous curves there Hagg, fantastic bit of cutting and the stone looks great too
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 27 April 2011,22:52cheers steve,its only oversites but I am a firm believer in keeping everything spot on as you go
i put the dumpy over the concrete when it was done and its no more than +/- 5mm over 12M, screeders should be ok with that
TBh i dont know why they cannot make a 100mm electric saw with water suppression,most things are do able now
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 28 April 2011,09:12Nice work Tony, did you charge the concrete company waiting time haha
Dan is 3 blocks enough to stop the migration of gravel onto the carriageway?
Posted by henpecked on 28 April 2011,09:57
Was it a Horse show with lots of dawgs?
Looks like a pikey ice cream van
Posted by dig dug dan on 28 April 2011,18:16
plenty giles, especially as the gravel is slightly lower on the other side. besides the customer only wanted three rows!
Posted by flowjoe on 28 April 2011,21:41
Is this your neighbours motor Sean, the one with the dodgy number plate who pulled your flag down?
Posted by haggistini on 28 April 2011,22:43nice pour tony was there any concrete rage? could do a bit of work that van.. but wouldn't know what message you would be giving out..
few more pics..
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 29 April 2011,07:01very nice haggi,
i dont like using the lights anymore as they sem to be nothing but trouble even with 100% installation
last time I did them each light had to sit in its own 150 pipe filled with shingle,big dramas with the cable etc
good thinking with the cores,thats what killed it for me was taking nearly an hour to core right through 40-50 mm sandstone
should have done your trick
Posted by haggistini on 29 April 2011,07:57Had to cut them as the core drill was about 10mm shy and I cracked one when cleaning off the edges
Posted by Tony McC on 29 April 2011,11:09Wonderfully neat cuts, but the dust betrays the use of very naughty dry cutting!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 29 April 2011,17:47as promised pictures of the avant 750 in action yesterday
and last but least ,the red sand that we are using ,well sand lime and a red pigment
Posted by flowjoe on 29 April 2011,18:41What have you got on Jewson Tony, far too expensive around these parts
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 29 April 2011,19:07their Leighton buzzard branch canes all the local merchants right now on price , we just seem to move merchants every 6 months as different ones try to entice us in with new offers or deals
Posted by haggistini on 29 April 2011,19:16No excuse for dry cutting it's a bad habit thats gotta stop . As LLL mentioned how'd ya wet cut a 100mm blade?
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 29 April 2011,20:00Air or hydraulic powered grinders?
Posted by ilovesettsonmondays on 29 April 2011,20:06to wet cut a 100 mm blade or any blade come to that if you have no water attachment . get a coke bottle the one thats about a pint size , fill with water . put lid on ,pierce with trowel. get someone to press bottle .
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 29 April 2011,22:27Or the sports cap ones done that with a 9" grinder when we couldn't use petrol cutters due to fumes
Posted by haggistini on 29 April 2011,22:30I'm using 240v and had a few jolts in the arm...
Mad push on with the turf today but I got to see the lights as it had gone dark by the time I finished cleaning up
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 30 April 2011,00:42have to say i really really like haggi and dans work,similar ideals to mine,not that i dont like other work,but i can relate to their work
and yes i am half cut
Posted by seanandruby on 30 April 2011,07:11
And someone else on standby to call an ambulance. When cutting with electric there shouldn't be any water near. Hag the jolt in your arm wouldn't be from the minor shocks, you either get frazzled, or you don't, no half measures with leccy' mate Don't spoil that good work by having the shape of your fried body stuck to it. 240volts
Posted by Dave_L on 30 April 2011,08:09I love the lines up for laying the turf, proper job, love it!
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 30 April 2011,11:17Looking good hag, 110v is the only way to go...
Are those sets pointed in black or is it just soil from the turf? That turf looks incredible dry if it's dropping that much dust around.
What you pointing it with?
Those weights look very handy, what are they? 5kg etc?
Posted by haggistini on 30 April 2011,12:0656lb , cementone jointing
Posted by London Stone Paving on 30 April 2011,14:58Never seen circles cut in stone like that before Hagg. I wasn't sure where you were going with it when I saw the first photo but it works like a dream. Job looks the D's B's
Posted by rab1 on 30 April 2011,16:25nice work haggs, it looks the muts
Posted by haggistini on 30 April 2011,17:19Thanks chaps it's coming to the end now and I'm proud how it's turned out the customer is over the moon
Posted by ilovesettsonmondays on 30 April 2011,18:40brilliant job hag anyone who reads this forum from south wales wanting a ny work done should save their own time and just get you to the job . as frank would say "its a cracker"
Posted by peg basher on 30 April 2011,19:06we use a similar cutting technique when saddling into existing drainage runs - takes a little longer to cut but can be made good quicktime!
Posted by ambient on 30 April 2011,19:55nice job hag like the cuts
Posted by ambient on 01 May 2011,13:43
just relaid this last week got another one to do this week
Posted by cookiewales on 01 May 2011,14:54nice work
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 02 May 2011,09:07very nice ambient
is that 4 or 6 size stone?
Posted by ambient on 02 May 2011,10:005 sizes could only find one random pattern plan
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 03 May 2011,20:33cracking on with the brickwork
will have to do the patio before we finish the job as the client is cutting off all access to his rear garden
as usual all comments and questions welcome
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 04 May 2011,00:21
Are there any posh hotties around lol, nice work
Posted by pickwell paving on 04 May 2011,06:40
Haha Very nice neat work there LLL
Posted by cookiewales on 04 May 2011,20:31
very tidy brickwork there lll ps why is the blockwork pointed
Posted by henpecked on 04 May 2011,22:45
Good practice to gag your block work . As its lll do you have to ask?
Bet you waited for that shadow down the brickwork didnt you Tony, blinkin' show off
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 04 May 2011,23:34cheers fellas
I have jointed all blockwork for 3-4 years now,just good practise and only takes 10 minutes
client is looking for a large patio which we must install before the windows/doors go in
might nick a few of haggis ideas
scaffold went up today and we got the back all up to lintel high
after the stag there is a lot of faffing around with multiple steels
more to follow....
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 16 May 2011,23:00cracked on a bit in between stag dos and communions
steels are in along with floor joisting
no need for plaster straight on the blockwork
the second floor steps in 650mm,for no apparent reason other than to make it awkward
spuds are coming along at the allotment
Posted by mike builder/landscaper on 17 May 2011,20:46very neat blockwork there lll. i always point up aswell. we must be the old school.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 17 May 2011,21:28cheers mike
as my old boss frenchy used to say "its as easy to do things right as it is to do them wrong"
plus a little bit of pride in your work
the plasterer passed by today and he cant wait to get going,says theres nothing worse than snots on blockwork
we are on the bedroom lift today,main roof going on next week
need to start thinking of patios
Posted by haggistini on 18 May 2011,11:00Nice job LLL and very neat and tidy and clean Work area. what ideas do you mean ? Not the dreaded 100 mm dry cutting curves with the widow maker grinder I hope!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 18 May 2011,18:04I like the double edge course of setts
nice finishing touch
as for keeping the site tidy it is a constant battle,if i switch off for 2 minutes stuff happens
so i cant switch off
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 20 May 2011,22:45onwards and upwards this week
timber delivered for roof
steel ninjaed on to scaffold all 168kg of it
pad cut out and installed ,N.B. evidence of wet cutting haggi
neighbours didnt want scaffold in their garden so we used sky hooks
conservatory coming on well
and lastly the murder lift loaded out
anyone suggest any slabs or flags to go with these red bricks?
Posted by haggistini on 20 May 2011,23:31I found the Brett sunset and multi brown setts looked fine with a red brick but I think most go with red as long as it's framed. Got a pic of the area to be laid?
Posted by Dave_L on 21 May 2011,07:30
Aye....as we say...."A clean tailboard is a happy tailboard!"
Posted by dig dug dan on 21 May 2011,13:43
why do people have to be so awkward??
Posted by Dave_L on 21 May 2011,19:21
Builder said to me last week......"All customers are bastards" keep that in your mind and you won't go far wrong........
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 22 May 2011,07:34the neighbours were ok really its just a 10 foot by 6 foot wide privet makes it difficult to put ant standards in
i was impressed how the scaffs got over it
and dave i have heard of ACAB but without customers where would we be?
Posted by seanandruby on 22 May 2011,07:55....Surely only calls for a cantilever scaffold? I'm sure your allowed, by law to encroach slightly for temporary works
Posted by Dave_L on 22 May 2011,09:22
Yes, very true Tony but (in my experience) there are many good customers out there, just a few fall into the ACAB category I guess!
Posted by joydivision on 22 May 2011,10:34Just finnished quite a nice orangery for a company I contract to.
Personaly we did all the groundworks, steel erecting and brickwork. Didnt fir the frames, roof etc.
Steel portal erected, foundations poured, built to dpc and sub base being prepared.
Brickwork going up,(building 2 brick x 2 brick pillars to size as frames pre made in reclaimed handmade cheshire's, urrghhh!)
Roof lanterns built and fascias put up.
Taking shape, brickwork pretty much finnished, frames and bi-folds installed.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 22 May 2011,11:26very nice.i bet that cost a pretty penny
proper lump of a house too
great work JD
Posted by joydivision on 22 May 2011,11:49
Yeah, to my knowledge it was up around the 100k mark!!
Think the steel sub structure bumped the price up.
The house is getting fully renovated too and will be rendered with k-rend or something similar, so the orangery will look pretty smart in the cheshire's against that when all done.
Posted by Pablo on 22 May 2011,11:56
A spades a spade thats a conservatory /sunroom not an orangerie. It wouldn't let enough light in and appears to be facing the wrong way. Flipping architects are great at polishing turds but at the end of the day it's still a turd. It is very nice all the same it would be interesting to see what paving and planting is put in front of those doors. Are the doors being painted to match the rest of the frames it looks a bit odd and out of keeping otherwise.
Posted by digerjones on 22 May 2011,12:31i agree with pablo, works very high standed but to me it dose'nt look right somehow. just my veiw,
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 22 May 2011,13:06
i disagree pablo
a conservatory is nearly all glass,an orangery is generally a heated room that has large windows and a glazed roof
however i doubt there will be oranges growing in there
still think it looks tidy work
Posted by digerjones on 22 May 2011,13:18i've heard garden room being used aswell. its just a building, bricks and mortar
Posted by dig dug dan on 22 May 2011,13:25however you dress it up, if the customer wants to call it an orangery, and they are spending 100k, who are we to judge?
Some really nice work there.
It actually looks as though it should house a swimming pool!
Posted by haggistini on 22 May 2011,13:51£100,000 Mental! I like it tho. Got a few pics of the last job should have some pro pics for y'all next week and some arial shots if I can get the photographer up a ladder ha ha he's a 20 stoner!
Posted by joydivision on 22 May 2011,20:49
Its not an orangery if your talking about an original 18th century building, but as far as the majority of these companies go, it is an orangery. Even the company that manufactures the steels, roof structure etc, are called Orangery solutions!
The structure has 4 glass roof lanterns, 2 sets of bi folds on the front a massive window on one side and a set of patios on the other side. Each room in the house is opened up into this. Light doesnt seem to be an issue with all that glass tbh, and to be fair, its not my bag if it does or doesnt.
The doors wont be painted, they are black aluminium, the frames and roof are cream and the fascia as you can see is a fawn brown colour.
Lots of customers go for the black ali bi folds with a different colour frame. The contrast of colours seems to be the thing at the moment.
Posted by rab1 on 22 May 2011,21:15Joy, nice looking work mate, you did a cracking job there and who cares about the functionality and light spread etc etc. we all didn't spend 100k on it.
Haggs, you win a prize again. Top looking work there.
Posted by DNgroundworks on 23 May 2011,15:23So go on then Haggs, how did you cut round that rodding point cover?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 23 May 2011,16:49
way too much time on his hands Dan
nice square cut with a bit of cement smeared around would have done it
Posted by DNgroundworks on 23 May 2011,17:14i do generally cut nice and neat but that being very small and oval, must of been a right pain
Posted by haggistini on 23 May 2011,17:20used the cover as a template and cut it the same as the circle in previous post on this thread..time consuming but keeps the standard high!
Posted by joydivision on 23 May 2011,18:17Fantastic work Hag, some of the finest cutting i have seen!!
Posted by specialbranch on 23 May 2011,18:45SOME PICS OF A JOB WE FINISHED LAST WEEK WITH THE BRIEF OF AN AFRICAN THEME. OUR CLIENT GOES EVERY YEAR TO BUILD SCHOOLHOUSES IN TANZANIA AND LOVES ALL THINGS AFRICAN. THE GARDEN WE DEMOLISHED WAS A MULTIPLE AWARD WINNER AND CHOCK FULL OF BEAUTIFUL SPECIMEN PLANTS. IT TOOK 3MEN SIX DAYS TO REMOVE ALL THE PLANTS. THE GIRAFFE IS AROUND 10FT TALL!!
FIRST TIME I'VE USED RUBADECK, NON SLIP DECKING, ITS A GOOD PRODUCT IN THE RIGHT SETTING
WHEN THE PLANTING IS ESTABLISHED IT SHOULD LOOK GREAT ALL YELLOW,RED AND ORANGE
Posted by rab1 on 23 May 2011,18:51Not my cup of tea but you have done a cracking job.
Posted by flowjoe on 23 May 2011,18:57Wow, that's a busy garden,
Far too much maintenance for me, even had me window box`s flagged last week
Posted by Stuarty on 23 May 2011,19:01Cant fault the work, but i think you need to some eccentricity about you to fully enjoy it, its just a bit busy for me.
Hagg: that is one cracking cut, you must have a shitload of patience! and a steady hand
Posted by Carberry on 23 May 2011,19:20Nice looking garden but I don't think it fits the description of African themed.
Nice cut haggis, I would have been thrown off the job for swearing too much before finishing a cut like that
Posted by specialbranch on 23 May 2011,19:29Too busy for my taste too but our client dictated the design. I went through a full box of Deck screws just putting up the wall art!! I havent put photos of half of the artwork and sculptures on! She went shopping and came back and told me she had bought a girraffe. I laughed for an hour when the pickup came with a 10ft metal giraffe strapped down. I dont know anyone else who would have the balls to do it but have to say it works it this situation the photos dont do it justice. The local kids all love to come around for a look! Shes been out to view a gorilla this week so I might be back next week bolting that down!!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 23 May 2011,19:33not my bag either special branch but i can appreciate the quality of what you have done there
my only issue with haggis cut is that you cannot do cuts like that with water suppressing the dust
to my mind rodding eyes are a pointless thing anyway
if the ICs are installed correctly why would you need rodding eyes?
toot sweet all the same hagster!
Posted by specialbranch on 23 May 2011,19:36
We only wanted a loose African feel, If we were going for authenticity we would have dumped 40t of gritsand and a few lumps of sandstone in!! With the hard landscaping side of things she just wanted a light stone paving,not much gravel and some rustic timbers, She wanted her deck replaced with something non slip, then she sourced the artwork statues etc.
Posted by haggistini on 23 May 2011,20:17Wow that is full on!!! Congrats on getting the idea to reality for them.. I like the rope rail and the work gone in to it all but ist a wee bit busy for me too! Regarding the dry cutting issue surely a Henry Hoover will suppress the dust to safer levels if using a good quality mask
Posted by cookiewales on 23 May 2011,20:34
very tidy work there s branch your a credit to the trade boys the germans do a hand held small grinder with water cut look at flex
Posted by specialbranch on 23 May 2011,20:44
Cheers Cookie, Think im going to have to post a pic of the nice straight 35m2 Indian Patio and 150m2 turf I did Last week so the regulars on here know im not a loon . Also I believe your the man in the Know when it comes to Setts. Ive got 250m2 of reclaimed pink granite setts to lay late summer and I havent really worked on that scale before so id like to pick your brains nearer the time if thats ok.
Posted by cookiewales on 23 May 2011,21:33give me a call anytime i do like pink setts where in the country are you
Posted by cookiewales on 23 May 2011,21:37
got ya your only down the road i live in acomb york now
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 23 May 2011,21:42i suppose it is a bit african as tehy do have some proper bright flowers over there ,
makes a change to see something off piste and very well done
Posted by Carberry on 23 May 2011,21:50African feel makes more sense.
You could always try and sell the woman one of these to match her giraffe
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Posted by specialbranch on 23 May 2011,22:00
I dare'nt show her that! it would be sat on the decking by the weekend . We did the front garden with a chinese theme. all pink and white flowers. 3 Buddah style statues and chinese tea house sculpture.
Posted by pickwell paving on 23 May 2011,22:02A lot of work gone into that garden special branch looks amazing, love the colour of those slabs haggi cuts are top notch
Posted by specialbranch on 23 May 2011,22:25
York thats handy I might have to come and do a couple of days labouring for you get some tips. The biggest sett job i have done was about 50m2 and took an eternity. It was another whacky job, we did a football design and LUFC 2000 in raised setts for a Leeds fan to commemorate them getting into the champions league. If you get any leads on that quantity pink granite let us know. The chap were doing it for is in the Scrap metal business so has a few contacts in demolition. We were hoping to find some still in situe so we can check the quality, get them all from one batch and lift them ourselves. So far the only gear we have found was from a foundary and they had a lot of rust on them which we were'nt sure would come off.
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 24 May 2011,08:17
Leeds Champions league?
I wonder if that's still there.....
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 25 May 2011,22:26very windy day monday,but none the less we prevailed
started striping main roof ready for extension roof
chipies pitched main roof yesterday and today
meanwhile the lout was removing all the old fibre glass from the loft,lovely job NOT!!!
gable tomorrow more pics to follow
Posted by haggistini on 27 May 2011,09:33Can't stand that shite!
Posted by haggistini on 27 May 2011,09:34Good progress there LLL
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 01 June 2011,21:15Commissioned the pump on our first ever fountain job today.
Posted by Pablo on 01 June 2011,21:23Did you install that Johnny I've done a few similar and they were seriously pricey but urned out well. All mine were reclaimed victorian jobs except one which was cut from Irish buff Granite and kept springing leaks. Looks good and should weather down well.
Posted by haggistini on 01 June 2011,21:28Very nice! Big big bucks$$$
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 01 June 2011,21:41Yeah we installed. There was a fountain there previously which was knackered, cables trailing everywhere etc. We basically started again with the existing hole in the ground.
It's a replica of the fountain at Eton College as far as I understand. as you say, big bucks. Not many of them for me though as it was a bit of a labour of love.
My only issue right now is that the manufacturer have said no chemicals to keep it clean - in a normal case you'd chuck a bit of chlorine in now and then to self clean. Apparently anything chloriney-based will corrode the reconstituted stone. They reckon a bit of clarifier will sort it, what a load of tosh so far.
Posted by Pablo on 01 June 2011,22:05Decent filters and UV tube should do the trick along with a power wash once a year it's nigh on impossible to keep any kind of stone clean once it comes in contact with water although the water itself will remain clear.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 01 June 2011,22:47very nice work johnnie
if there is a god it will lead to more fountains
Posted by Dave_L on 01 June 2011,23:04Lovely work! When I win the EuroMillions I'll give ya a bell...........
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 01 June 2011,23:04I hope not!!!
lol work is work
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 01 June 2011,23:05You only need the Eurothousands Dave
Posted by Dave_L on 01 June 2011,23:14
Yeah but there's the "entertainment girls" and the fast cars to think about.....so the millions wouldn't go *that* far ;)
*Dave sulks off thinking what he could get up to if he had millions........... :-/ *
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 01 June 2011,23:39
I'll stick the kettle on Dave, I've been off sulking about that for years..........
Posted by Dave_L on 01 June 2011,23:42Coffee, one sugar, I'll join ya Jonny :-/
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 03 June 2011,22:04more recent work,been too busy this week for photies but took these last saturday when we felt and battened the roof
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 03 June 2011,22:48had a play with sketchup,couldnt work out how to save the image direct but did what i could
its the pergola question really
the top of the page is south west facing
its my first go and i know it looks pants so please be gentle giles and haggi
Posted by haggistini on 03 June 2011,23:01Love the way you cut those pine ends
Love the roof top perspective
Love the soak away topped up with cut bricks
Love the porn
Love the drawing . But theres more money in the patio let the ideas flow
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 03 June 2011,23:16is it working haggi?
Posted by haggistini on 03 June 2011,23:30Is what working the cider or sketch up...? Me thinks both LLL i
Posted by Tommy on 03 June 2011,23:34Is it sad that I know that both demo rigs are Kane's Liebherr 954's?
Posted by haggistini on 03 June 2011,23:42Not sad just a plant perv!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 04 June 2011,00:55
the nutty thing is I worked on those halls of residence about 16 years ago
the current trend seems to be pull down fairly new building
that big grab yoke must be 20 m high ,pulling roof trusses off like they were spiders legs
all the hardcore is being crushed on site
all for luton polytechnic..... ow sorry i mean university of bedfordshire
if any of your offspring ever mention going to uni in luton,just give them a service revolver and a bottle of scotch
its the only decent option they have
Posted by Carberry on 04 June 2011,12:42Pergola wouldn't be good in the middle of that garden, it would end up right in front of the conservatory. Best either off centre creating a walkway to a separate garden or stick it in the corner to make a seated area.
Posted by haggistini on 05 June 2011,09:35
where did you get the decking SB? i can only find the granular colour type
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 05 June 2011,11:39
cheers carberry, its a queer shaped garden for sure
I think the house was built on a small plot then an adjoining large rear garden was bought
gonna have another play with google sketch,anyone know how i can save images from google sketch in normal formats?
it only lets me save them in its own weird format,had to printscreen and crop to get that image
Posted by Stuarty on 05 June 2011,16:16Go to File > Export > 2D Graphic and then save in the format you wish
Posted by seanandruby on 05 June 2011,19:31Dodgy old ladder there LLL, should be 4 above at least, bet it,s not tied either LLL says..... '' here we go again bloody H&S.''
Posted by specialbranch on 05 June 2011,20:40A Couple of pics of a driveway we completed last week, blocks are Brett alpha Jumper blocks 280x210 making a nice chunky herringbone pattern, we had a reclaimed sett border as the client had a load he wanted to throw out!
The bullnosed stone steps were a right ball ache, I had them cut at 1350x600 and chipped the first one I tried to lay! £100 down before I start.
Posted by London Stone Paving on 05 June 2011,21:01What are the treads made from ?
Posted by specialbranch on 05 June 2011,21:21
Tread is Yorkshire stone, quarried in Halifax and risers are just a brick match on the house, top one is dusty had'nt cleaned it when I took the pics
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 05 June 2011,21:38Nice blocks those.
Where does the rainwater go?
Why were the teps such a hassle? Just because you chipped one, or some other reason?
Posted by specialbranch on 05 June 2011,22:04
Drive runs to an aquacell soakaway, steps were a nightmare from start to finish, the idea was to work around the existing steps and just face them with brick and top with the stone. turned out the existing steps were solid reinforced concrete top one being about 15" thick, and I had to break 3" off the surface to take the new stone but the mesh was only 2" down. The top steps had to be placed internal to some brickwork and wanting to keep nice tight joints just nowhere to get your hands in and out and they were pretty heavy. Also the stone wasnt that easy to get hold of the bank holidays caused our mason a few problems so I was 3 weeks late in getting the tops on! you live and learn
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 05 June 2011,22:10I hear you....well done on finishing!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 05 June 2011,22:18
its a fair cop guv
all the ladders are clipped on with puddy clips
you cant see the front but we do have a 8 m ladder clipped on there
ps a mate of mine was on a calfour ceatty site
4 of them on big 60-120 tonne cranes
top hse man came round 3 were asleep and 1 was smoking
whole firm got binned on the spot
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 05 June 2011,22:21very nice work special branch
be nice to see the aco installation too
Posted by msh paving on 06 June 2011,20:57
Last weeks patio,Foras morland york indian sandstone grade f40,laid full sand/cement bed ,pointed with marshall weatherpoint 365
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Posted by lutonlagerlout on 06 June 2011,21:56very tidy work mark
how did you find the weather point?
Posted by rab1 on 06 June 2011,23:20as above, job well done but one question mark... are you doing a product placement deal with ronseal fence paint right now. ;)
Posted by msh paving on 07 June 2011,06:45The ronseal goo,belongs to customer,its where he left itafter a paint on sunday,
Can't find a problem with the marshalls 365 only a slower curing time than romex MSH
Posted by haggistini on 07 June 2011,10:36Nice job mark you seem to always lay them in a random layout FairPlay!
Had to slip this one in local open cast this is a baby to the other 3 monsters up there which are 300 toners!!!
Posted by msh paving on 07 June 2011,16:48That brand off injun comes in 13.6m boxes of mixed sizes,just lay one box at a time for a nice random mix usually 13 of the large slabs, MSH
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 07 June 2011,23:25i find i end up with loads of little ones at the end!
Posted by Pablo on 08 June 2011,18:56Love the cock and balls in the middle of the patio MSH was that intentional I do that as a bit of a personal joke if the clients annoy me.
Posted by joydivision on 08 June 2011,19:33
Ha Ha, spotted that too!! Brilliant.
Nice work all the same!
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 08 June 2011,22:16nice work and nice flags but this is the second patio i've just looked at inc carberry's on other thread with the "+" ie 4 corners joining the gaffer will be turning in his L200 hehe
is it kinda disregarded advice now?
Posted by haggistini on 08 June 2011,22:27No as it don't look very good to me personally but I think only us lot in the game that spots it.
Posted by rab1 on 08 June 2011,22:33Tony (boss) always states best practice, do it once neatly and correctly. Straight line patterns correctly laid are allowed.
Posted by London Stone Paving on 08 June 2011,22:34Lovely installation and stone looks top quality too.
Posted by London Stone Paving on 08 June 2011,22:40
Getting hold of Yorkstone on said date is a black art. We get through an artic a week of the stuff but the raw material never arrives on time. They seem to work at their own pace in those quarries.
Posted by Carberry on 08 June 2011,23:49
Only landscapers notice it - I would even further narrow that down to landscapers who use this site, a truly random pattern would include joints that meet like that and more importantly, I don't think it looks bad as long as your joints are done correctly ie: don't have a 14mm joint meeting an 8mm joint it is usually easier to avoid having 4 corners meet though.
Thanks to you Pablo I'm going to be going through photos of all my old work and seeing if I have had any freudian slips and covered some poor guys patio in cock and balls
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 09 June 2011,00:30I always try not to have any crosses (4 corners), drive my guys mad but its a company rule (that only i can break!!).
Can't wait to tell them to add "no cock and balls" to the don't do list.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 June 2011,02:47i think for a truly random effect that 1 cross and 2 flags the same size next to each other are ok
going back to what i said with the 13.65 m patio packs you get too many small units and this means you run short if you keep to all our BC rules
its easy to criticise , but i think that patio looks a great job
Posted by Carberry on 09 June 2011,08:20
When i had my brother working with me he moaned at me every day telling me what random was. He's doing a Ph.D in physics, quantum mechanics. Those patio packs full of 1x1s do my nut in.
Posted by London Stone Paving on 09 June 2011,10:00Stewarts right, if it was a truly random pattern then it would contain crossroads. I just think that crossroads look crap, sticks out like a sore thumb.
Posted by msh paving on 09 June 2011,17:42This is the front -to the back injun patio we just laid
50mm bradstone -autum/buff 14mm natural stone area
Posted by rab1 on 09 June 2011,19:40top quality work, looks great.
Posted by pickwell paving on 09 June 2011,20:14Nice work MSH nice to see someone use a block splitter and do the cuts properly, colours go well together.
Posted by cookiewales on 09 June 2011,20:53
tidy work there mark to class cuts mick g would give a star for them on the point of random ie proper its a shame the indians did not copy the foot print of the victoriens in there slab sizes they did not put paving side by side because they did not need to as they had the choice plus they would have had to take it up and relay have had the pleasure of using old york stone direct of site before the reclaim yard monkeys have squared it of and have never laid a slab in there lives
Posted by haggistini on 09 June 2011,21:00Nice job mark I like the curved edge to gravel areas I remember the privious jobs you posted with the two circles with the grass very effective and clean looking
Blasted this today rushing to go on a weekender to minehead butlins in 70's gear yeeharr!
Posted by haggistini on 09 June 2011,22:38P.S. The weekend starts tonight on the bow and cigars already god help them cuts tomorrow.....
Posted by Pablo on 09 June 2011,22:53All 45's and 90's Stevie Wonder could manage them so you'll be grand.
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 09 June 2011,23:06One of Pablo's piccies
Posted by Pablo on 10 June 2011,00:24Ha I've finally sussed it after 5 years LOL
I finished this last friday been very busy trying to catch up and complete all the unfinished work due to the constant rain and wind over here.
Knocked this out on monday and tuesday
And finally got around to doing the resin bound on this one after waiting since october. It was a full garden build so everything you see was us inc the portico I'll post better ones later.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 June 2011,00:25jesus haggi after the 80s weekend in skeggy i needed a full body transplant
full bore captures the ethos
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 June 2011,00:28portico paul??
dont you mean storm porch?
(orangery = conservatory ) remember?
very nice work
2 days was what? everythi ng?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 June 2011,00:30no SUDS in NI then
Posted by haggistini on 10 June 2011,00:37Awesome work!!!!!!!!
Posted by Pablo on 10 June 2011,00:39
Touche Mr Lout I take your point. The circle and planter took about a day and a half all in with 3 men. Suds what does that mean? not a legal requirement here so never do it unless they're specified although it's usually permeable but none of it works properly because we have the worst clay I've ever encountered over here and thin topsoil.
Posted by Pablo on 10 June 2011,00:59Also used the dry weather to slap in some turf on recent jobs that we couldn't finish. This whole garden come up some narrow steps on a bumpa lift although i got a digger in from the house above.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 June 2011,00:59i'm just putting the giles hat on for a change===> half cut
day and a half for 3 men is good going dig out etc etc
what did you do in the other half day?
I ask this because when we knock something out by 1pm then its job and knock
so effectively 2 days for 3 men
the patio looks better than i could do bar one weird yellow flag to the left of the arched step
it looks like a 900 by 600 with 2 small cuts on top of it?
also on the 13th radius of the circle 9which looks the mutts if i may say there is what looks like a 35mm cut
nothing not to like there in all the great work but we must be seen to be critical of each other if that makes sense
love the blocks in the planter
never seen them this way
all the best
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 June 2011,01:05posted that while pablo was posting more fantastic pictures
really like this walling blocks
lovely stuff pablo
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 10 June 2011,08:11Good to see you posting Pablo, great work.
Where were you going wrong with the pics?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 June 2011,14:19i really should have a breathalyser on my PC
Posted by rab1 on 10 June 2011,14:27they should also be added to phones as well
Posted by DNgroundworks on 10 June 2011,16:48Are those walling blocks the tobermore ones?
Posted by Pablo on 10 June 2011,17:59
I took them back to the yard to paint the Iron gates you see in the other photos I don't like knocking off too early except on Fridays. The flag you see isn't a cut it's a lovely bit of well grained stone it just hasn't come out well on the photo and that cut on the circle was needed because it was the last of the course you don't see it in the bigger scheme of things.
The retaining blocks are Tobermore Secura Minor and Secura Coping and the planter is a New product called Garden Stone by the same company. Both are great products to work with as is most of their stuff. I like Tobermore products they offer a good balance of quality vs cost and are very customer friendly. You can get better products off other companies but you'll pay a lot more for them. Acheson & Glover also offer good price and quality but they are a nightmare to deal with you never get someone on the phone who can take your order and they ask you to call back or forget to call you back very sloppy.
Posted by Injured on 10 June 2011,18:41Job I have just finished Also thought it was about time I tried to post an image. Not sure if it the right size or if it will work so here goes
Posted by Injured on 10 June 2011,18:44
Yeah I can do it. All that worry for nothing. Its dead easy really ha ha
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 June 2011,20:36top quality work guys
i alway aimfor nothing less than half on block paving
so that block on course 13 could have been a half and a 3/4 rather than a quarter
but that is being arsi
very nice work guys
Posted by Dave_L on 10 June 2011,22:04Nice work Inj!
Posted by Pablo on 11 June 2011,00:00these are not entirely Recent I have done quite a few paving and landscaping displays for a well known BM throughout NI. Completed these 3 at various stages over the course of this thread but wasn't able to post cos I'm a numpty. The displays consist mainly of Marshalls/ Tobermore and Kilsaran paving and Finforest timber. Everything was done by our fair hands no subbies used. A couple of them must hold the record for the numer of cuts on a single job LOL
They're the best adverts I have and generate a lot of work for us along with several others I've done. I do the odd free design day there to which can lead to some good full garden builds.
Posted by ilovesettsonmondays on 11 June 2011,00:18top class work pablo. must be a massive builders merchants too .looking at the size of the brilliant display
Posted by Pablo on 11 June 2011,00:47The merchants are Ireland wide and owned by Saint Gobain they have very well laid out yards and plenty of room.
Did these two in April the sandstone circle has calmed down and is a good match now.
And this was the sum total of my work in December that was a tough month.
Thats all for now get more on soon. Thank you for your comments it feels good to finally put my money where my mouth is and post some shots.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 11 June 2011,02:59all high quality stuff there mate,and nice design touches too
it all gives me great ideas for plagarising when i do stuff
i think st gobain own my local merchant " gibbs and dandys" too
that tobermore stuff to my mind has a much richer clour range than most of the stuff we get here,looks great quality too
Posted by Dave_L on 11 June 2011,07:07Lovely work, that BM has a great display area!
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 11 June 2011,10:36Great advertising that fella, well done. Am gonna do a couple of hours planting today, will take some pics if my headache goes and I remember!!
Posted by cookiewales on 11 June 2011,11:04very nice work there pablo just a tip for you dont use squareing off kit put single or double row of cubes arround then cut outer paving to it allways looks better
Posted by Pablo on 11 June 2011,14:52I totally agree cookie but it's what the client wanted I'd quoted for trimming it with either Tegula or rose granite setts. I don't like the way they spoil the pattern and tbh they aren't any quicker or easier to lay.
Posted by local patios and driveways on 11 June 2011,15:04damn, i got raped on this forum for having a few darts on a driveway i posted pictures of. im not knocking anyones work its all very nice but there seems to be lots of ass kissing here..
like the murphys.. im not bitter... :blush:
Posted by London Stone Paving on 11 June 2011,16:34Not a big fan of the squaring off kits either. It just looks like a square plonked in the middle of the patio. Circles look way better without the kit
Nice portfolio of work pablo
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 11 June 2011,16:54
take note mate
most clued up lads post pictures of the finished jobs
i like to post warts and all pictures,but its easy to find fault that way
cant make an omlette without breaking eggs
ps i feel that i have learned a lot over the last 7 years i have used PE and BC
no more clouds of dust on our jobs
but we have to be hard on each other
keep the standards up IYKWIM
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 11 June 2011,16:58i thought with tegula darts are unavoidable in some spots?
when they are on a 200 by 100 drive they dont need to be there
re:squaring off kits i agree with all that has been said,on the whole they dont look right
i do find cutting internal arcs labourious and for that reason i discourage circles in paving,as a stand alone feature for a table and chairs they look nice,but not plonked in the middle of a patio
Posted by Pablo on 11 June 2011,19:18
True although there are ways of getting around it but they look crap and are only really needed for high impact areas for large vehicles. You can avoid most of them if your using a 3 size mix but tbh I've yet to see a dart fail and I feel it looks better to continue the pattern with darts rather than mix it up and throw in something that looks out of place and isn't neccessary. With darts I always throw a bit more sand into the hole then knock them home with a maul and they never move. I feel it's unfair to pull someone up on darts if they've been done well because although it's not best practice they do offer the best compromise between that and best looks. And if a dart is highly unlikely to fail why would you bother doing it any other way and ruining the pattern/bond. This may be a bit controversial given the company on here so I'm filling a sandbag as we speak and getting ready for the flak.
Posted by local patios and driveways on 11 June 2011,19:39i agree, i always look at darts on old driveways and ive never seen one thats sunk.
Posted by pickwell paving on 11 June 2011,22:18Darts should be avoided where possible because they don't conform to british standards of laying/cutting in, most commercial jobs they would be picked up by the clark of works and have to be redone, we've done MOD work before and they won't accept anything smaller than half a block. It draws your eye to them if you ask me when you see a block cut along its length or a tiny piece the size of penny, and in my opinion any paving contractor should have a block splitter as part of their tool kit.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 12 June 2011,04:11i have done it both ways and can see both sides
to my eye continuing the pattern looks best
but it aint british standard
however i cant make it work with tegula
Posted by pickwell paving on 12 June 2011,06:33The reason so many people put slips and darts in their paving is because there is a lack of skilled labour on a block splitter, its so much easier to lay the paving then run the stihl saw round at the end regardless of how it should be done. Slips and darts are the block paving equivalent of spot bedding which is frowned upon on this forum and rightly so, so how come when people talk about how to do things correctly the same doesn't apply to cutting in? :rock:
Posted by Pablo on 12 June 2011,10:11I agree that they shouldn't be used in commercial work and we always do so where possible but Mrs Smith at 63 drives a car not a tank and the heaviest vehicle on her driveway will be a DHL van every christmas so a dart will not fail in that instance and it does look a lot better. I strongly disagree that the reason for pavers not using a splitter is because of lack of skill. I use both and there are a lot of cuts that a splitter can't do like curves and nips off the ends also there are a lot of block types that don't split well regardless of how much skill you have. Personally I have my men trained to a standard where they only have to look at a lot of cuts and then freehand them with the saw or just mark one end of the block and buzz it. That patio I did on friday in the tools thread took about 45 mins to cut in and trim on friday using just such a method and there's not a single bad cut in it. I also disagree that darts and slips are the equivilent of spot bedding they're not but poor subbase and bedding installation is and thats the reason for 99.9% of all driveway failures.
I do respect your integrity on this issue though and wouldn't fault any paver who tries to avoid darts like yourself it is the reccommended standard I just don't like the look of it and feel it's overkill in most domestic applications.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 12 June 2011,11:04
i would say 70mm of sand and 50mm sub base is a better metaphor for spot bedding
back to my point,i have found it unavoidable with tegula especially herringbone tegula
Posted by cookiewales on 12 June 2011,11:32well boys i laid some 200 150 60 bardon cbp last week ground was bad so i mixed 4 to1 grit sand cement and laid them in rows like my setts washed in the kiln dried next day top job will post photos ps it was a extra between niegbours so no budget
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 12 June 2011,13:57As promised some pics of the planting we did up on Saturday, took a couple of helpers along so they can see how I pay for their mobiles/laptops etc lol. Got about 250 bedders and herbaceous plants done in around a couple of hours. Just adding to what we've done there in the last year and a half.
There was effectively nothing in the garden but grass and a couple of badly placed trees when we rolled up.
Oh, and yes, as an aside all the paving and walling was done by us too. Replacing dabbed buff 600sq developer specials!!!
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 12 June 2011,14:12Found some more pics same site earlier in year with better camera !!!
Posted by Pablo on 12 June 2011,16:27You've a good eye for plants Johnny they sit very well with the house style. Any chance of some shots of the hardscaping I like the look of it. Also I'm trying to get hold of some stone Urns just like those for my own house they'd look great on some pillars I love em.
Posted by Dave_L on 12 June 2011,16:45"Forget the bond, keep 'em long"
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 12 June 2011,17:19crikey thats some gaff,looks like chewton glen
lovely display johnny.I am pretty much clueless on soft scaping
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 12 June 2011,19:47It'll look better in 2-3 weeks when the bedding plants have matured a bit. The idea is to go for a riot of colour - client would rather pay my maintenance crew to tend to plants than weeding in understocked borders
I have some pics of the hard landscaping somewhere. IIRC we laid 260m2 of the black limestone with a detail line of monsoon black 285x560's to match the walling. As far as I recall there is not one cross/4corner anywhere on that job except where the detail line meets the rest of it.
The lights have been a pita as they keep failing. DO NOT BUY REBUS LED GROUP LIGHTS !!!!!
Will post later on if I can find the pics!!!
Thanks for the comments. Appreciated.
Pablo, which of the Urns? I know where they all came from if you want a recommendation
Posted by pickwell paving on 12 June 2011,19:53Don't get me wrong Pablo I'm not knocking your work it looks spot on, people come on here to promote best practice bit it seems to me that they are chopping and choosing which bits they follow themselves, people are quick to say about something as trivial as 4 corners meeting on a patio, regarding the spot bedding comment I didn't mean in terms of structural stability just as in people following best practice. LLL it's all on the main site about tegula in board cutting, tegula herringbone is pretty much the same as 200x100 herringbone regarding halves although there might be the very odd occasion where it's not possible.
Posted by Pablo on 12 June 2011,19:55The shallow ones although I wouldn't need the plinths. Letting the bedding keep the weeds at bay is a great way to lessen the load over the summer and probably doesn't cost that much more than paying a gardener to weed regularly.
Posted by Pablo on 12 June 2011,19:57Pickwell I know you weren't and totally understand your point of view. Whats your first name by the way?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 12 June 2011,20:16well I like to question the perceived authority?
if we took accepted wisdom for granted we would still think the world was flat
if a patio is truly random there could be crosses adjacent same size flags etc.but we make a "random pattern"
incidentally, the cock and balls we saw almost certainly leads to a cross
with tegula it just doesnt look right with inboard cutting
i think if you use a splitter then darts are more likely to fail
when i look at the finished drive/patio ,aesthetics is the first thing i see
does it look good?
compliments the house?
if the cutting is accurate a reasonable size dart or slip wont move,
Posted by pickwell paving on 12 June 2011,22:09
Thought that was the whole point of in board cutting that the slips and darts aren't of a reasonable size? Name's Lee, Pablo, I see where your all coming from with aesthetics etc just that I was taught from a commercial paving background and if I didn't do it correctly it was taken up and done again, still think bigger cuts are less noticable than little pieces of block
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 12 June 2011,22:14
I'll look into it for you Pablo. I moved them from where the client wanted them into the shade as they are a touch shallow to stay damp through the day, the weather we've had. I don't recall them being particularly expensive.
The timescales weeding vs looking after the bedding/herbaceous plants is about the same we reckon.
But then you have the added enjoyment of the purty flowers
Posted by DNgroundworks on 13 June 2011,12:19I totally agree with regards to the squaring off kit, we do it exactly the same as cookie, we are doing one right now actually, will post pictures later.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 13 June 2011,16:24here is an example of when i have used inboard
and one where i didnt
I think a lot depends on the job
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 13 June 2011,18:55
so this was the arsey message you were apologising for haha,
i only seek to point out the wisdon of the one, the true overlord all hail the gaffer. just seems strange to have a wealth of info on here and when you spot something like a + not to point it out.
haha, right Tony its war lol
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 13 June 2011,22:39nah the one i sent you was much much worse
"let he without sin casteth the first stone"
Posted by haggistini on 13 June 2011,23:50
Couldn't you have made a false line buy running a 2mm cut down the inboard blocks? Maintaining the integrity of the block yet keeping with the aesthetics of the pattern?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 14 June 2011,00:06were do you get 2mm blades from haggi?
i discussed it with the guy and he was happy with the outcome
nothing worse than a threshold that is neither atrue curve or a staright line
Posted by haggistini on 14 June 2011,00:08I meant the depth of cut but I always carry an old blade just for false cuts
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 14 June 2011,21:15Planted some roses in some of the worst dig ever yesterday
will be dressing the area in white pebbles and cobbles to bind the dust, i mean soil lol. Mini rockery at the far end.
have the same to do Thursday next to an even bigger leylandii hedge out the front Had to get four commercial shelf-stacking trolleys from out the back off my suppliers yard to get the plants to the truck!! All we wanted was some irish fella hanging on a swing over the Iveco and the Chelsea Flower Show had arrived on the client's drive (no offence to our irish contingent, you know what I was getting at anyway I hope!!)
Planted up some herbs in baskets, the housekeeper was delighted, that's the only time you'll EVER see a plant label on one of my jobs, pet hate! Softens up the look of the fountain (that we installed as our first ever job there).
Client happy so far
Getting addicted to posting these pics aren't I ?? Feel free to call a halt when you're bored lads!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 14 June 2011,22:21I like the photos
in fact its nice that people have discovered the joys of posting images of their handywork
i wish i knew more about horticulture and landscaping
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 14 June 2011,23:39Soft scaping is rewarding, there's no doubt. Especially after an appropriate time when it all matures up.
When the client remembers to use a hose pipe that is :blush:
Posted by joydivision on 15 June 2011,17:15yeah, keep the photo's coming.
I really enjoy seeing everyones handywork, and how we all do things in our own way.
You can pick up some nice little tips also!!
Nice work Jonny
Posted by DNgroundworks on 15 June 2011,18:48The job we finished today, indian sandstone, with circle kit, did away with squaring of kit, didn't actually buy it so had to cut in round the circle, took the p*ss. Easy pointed yesterday.
Pretty standard job for us, got more pics of other stuff to follow.
Posted by London Stone Paving on 15 June 2011,18:48Nice water feature Jonny. Whats the material? Donegall Quartz?
Posted by DNgroundworks on 15 June 2011,18:48Ah shit im gonna get a telling off now, can some one re-size them for me, sorry
Posted by London Stone Paving on 15 June 2011,18:53
Nice work there DN, stone looks great. I saw the pictures before I saw who the post was written by and i thought it must have been a Hagg creation. Its those trademark curves.
Lovely stuff, client must be well chuffed with that
Posted by Carberry on 15 June 2011,18:54
How long has that rule been around? Surely everyone has at least a 19" monitor with a high resolution now. I have a 24" monitor and prefer the bigger pictures.
Posted by DNgroundworks on 15 June 2011,18:55ye im pretty sure he is, i like the stone when wet, gives it a completely different look.
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 15 June 2011,20:06
Steve, do you know, I'm not 100% sure. The walling is Stonemarket I think if memory serves me right, faced around a concrete block and bespoke fibreglassed liner. Client had already ordered the drilled stone.
It's a salutary story actually, one we should all remember. Get a call, you were recommended by blah blah blah supplier of stone, you subcontract to them etc etc. Need a small (!) water feature installed. We were booked ahead for two minths, client kept houding me to get there. Last-but-one call client says "look I appreciate you are busy, I don't need it installed for a little while but I need to know how to connect it up to the tap i am having put in for it....."
Naturally I thought it was a ****-take at this point, a water feature run off mains water??? Recommending supplier rang me later that week and begged me to go out as client on his back too.
Went out, met client, you've seen the house in previous pics, within half an hour had the contract maintenance of the grounds tied up and the rest is history.
Posted by cookiewales on 15 June 2011,22:19nice work dn try and get the client to bring up the grassed area ti top of paving allways looks better
Posted by Carberry on 15 June 2011,22:27
Easier to cut too.
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 15 June 2011,22:44oh yes, agree with that.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 15 June 2011,23:19nice work dan
the grass will soon encroach up to the paving
Posted by DNgroundworks on 16 June 2011,09:10that is the plan, i think, but he didnt want to pay me for something he could do himself, i know what your saying would like miles better.
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 19 June 2011,22:26Thought I'd share this with you all
Posted by haggistini on 19 June 2011,22:28Cracking brick work looks stunning!
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 19 June 2011,22:30Cheers:)
Posted by rab1 on 19 June 2011,22:43nice work.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 19 June 2011,22:45very creative
what bricks are they mr.pink?
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 19 June 2011,23:32Can't remember name but they were very cheap £125 a pack of 460
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 19 June 2011,23:43Very nice
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Dove grey sandstone layed in lines (customers choice)
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Posted by London Stone Paving on 25 June 2011,11:17Grey sandstone looks superb. I prefer the random coursed to the four flag random. I see that you have utilised the small square within the course. Never seen that done before, looks good though.
Second patio looks top job as well. Not a cross road in site, as it should be. Haunch looks good too, thats not moving anywhere.
Stone on the second photo looks the dogs. Really flat with barely any riven. Where is it from?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 25 June 2011,12:30I'm impressed Mr.pink!
nice double sett detail?
high quality installation there well done
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 26 June 2011,10:41Agreed, lovely work.
Posted by Injured on 26 June 2011,11:25
York stone patio laid 2 years ago Picture took 2 days ago.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 26 June 2011,11:28very nice work George
hasn't anyone got any photos of fail patios they have come across?
Posted by Injured on 26 June 2011,11:29
New block work in warehouse
Floor painted Remedial work complete
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 26 June 2011,11:37Thanks for all your comments really appreciated. The stone in the second patio is a raj green from a place called lower barn farm in Rayleigh Essex. It was really nice to lay all true to size crates were £22.5 m2 £365 cobble setts £22 m2
Posted by ilovesettsonmondays on 26 June 2011,15:17very nice work mr pink. im using stone from that place in rayleigh this week . how do they deliver crane offload or pallet truck by courier .
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 26 June 2011,17:433 weeks and we are cracking on
the lout does roof tiling and leadwork too!!
i like doing the step flashing ,but 6 m of code4 is over a ton a roll now
and the contemporary job in hemel finished,popped back last week so got a piccie
Posted by Bob_A on 26 June 2011,19:29
Also does this Lower Barn Farm have displays of the stuff they sell?
Posted by ilovesettsonmondays on 26 June 2011,19:55yes bob they have displays and dont just sell paving.
Posted by ilovesettsonmondays on 26 June 2011,19:56yes bob they have displays.
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 26 June 2011,21:03
Diggin out and shoring a 3m deep pad
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 26 June 2011,21:06
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 26 June 2011,21:08< My Webpage >
Posted by Pablo on 26 June 2011,21:12Your link doesn't work Mr Pink. Wtf are you doing to need a 3m deep pad thats some paving base haha. Would a pile not have been cheaper.
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 26 June 2011,21:18We had to go in and sort out the mess of some cowboys digging.
The plans had already been passed and had no time to wait for them to be changed.
The cowboys had dug ground beam then tried digging pads with a 1.5t machine in-between footings (not a pretty site)
We back filled everything and started again.
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 26 June 2011,21:19
It was a base for a BBQ
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 26 June 2011,22:23LLL that is some top notch building work going on there
It only takes a second to spot a bad job, but I feel the same applies to a perfect job you just know instantly.
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 26 June 2011,22:27
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 26 June 2011,22:35thanks pink
i reckon its about 95% myself but i have to be super critical
never done a perfect job
lot of work in that ground beam,we normally use USB wrapped in mesh
is the mix you use on the pointing gun definitely plastering sand and cement,and what ratio?
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 26 June 2011,22:44
First tried 2 pit sand 1 sharp and 1 cement didn't work clogged
Then tried 3 pit sand 1 cement work fine but colour was awful
Now use 3 plastering/rendering sand all in buckets and about 3 caps of febmix only problem on some patios can dry quite Whiteish.
Posted by haggistini on 27 June 2011,00:16Cracking work Alround boys
Posted by pickwell paving on 27 June 2011,06:28Yeah top work fellas
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 27 June 2011,08:57Great work but 3 metres down with no ladder or gas monitor or harness in a confined space haha shaun will have you lol,
Tony did you sort a patio design for that house?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 27 June 2011,10:42its in the gaffer's capable hands giles
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 27 June 2011,20:22The sheets were driven in the ground 18" by digger before I got down someone had to measure for struts.
All jokes aside I know it's dangerous but I can't send me dad down there and the labourers we have wouldn't have a clue
That's why we love groundwork!!!!
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 27 June 2011,21:3318" is not a lot, but i guess its only small pit last time we dug out 3m we drove 7metre 10mm piles in all the way but that was large excavatation
i do love groundwork though hehe
Posted by Pablo on 27 June 2011,21:48Seriously though what was the hole for.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 27 June 2011,22:31took a couple more today
repaired next doors drive way after 11 weeks of scaffolding and temporary fencing
as the extension is 225mm in from the old boundary wall we had to use the old blocks at the front and get some new ones for further down the path
I hate leaving neighbours peed off after building work so try and reinstate their side to a good standard
move their gate and rebuild the wall tomorrow
roof opened up and second dormer constructed as well today
BTW the plastic cladding is not my preference,i wanted tile hanging but the arch didnt want it
all scaffold down at the front now , just RW drains to sort out and maybe the drive
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Posted by lutonlagerlout on 28 June 2011,00:02nice soldier there pink,is there a flange on the USB for the bricks to sit on?
I had to cut pistols over the bearings on that garage door as the existing house was all over the place
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 28 June 2011,00:09The fella I was doing it for had flange welded on to the bottom of the rsj
Posted by Pablo on 28 June 2011,19:12Thats a blinding wheelbarrow Mr Pink do your men fight over who gets to use it.
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 28 June 2011,19:16That's a gti of wheelbarrows
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 28 June 2011,19:18They tend to fight over who don't use it.
Posted by Pablo on 28 June 2011,19:54A Fairly straight forward driveway remodel this week including fencing granite step and a few other bits n bobs.
Slab lifter was close to max weight.
Imperfection on the step so off it came and waiting for a new peice very picky client but it did cost £900
Posted by Pablo on 28 June 2011,20:02Bought a new Hayter mower and I now fear my life is over because I'm obsessed with stripes and it takes f#cking ages now but I can't go back. If you're looking for a new mower do yourseld a favour and don't buy a stripey one.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 28 June 2011,21:42pablo where did the drain disappear to in front of the gates?
very nice detailing on the edgers
i bet they are well pleased
who is liable when they go A over T on the granite step in midwinter
Posted by Al Jardin on 28 June 2011,21:43Love the borrowed view through the clear stemmed tree Pablo. Bought a Viking mower recently. Thankfully no roller but a great machine if you don't mind childs toy green.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 28 June 2011,21:45btw spoke to a lad yesterday and some of the travelling community did his neighbours drive
he asked for white spar chippings,they said no problem
it was only a day later (after they were paid in cash of course) he realised they had smashed up polo mints and scattered them on the new tarmac,and rolled them in
the lad that told me this swore on his life they did it
Posted by Al Jardin on 28 June 2011,21:49Sweet looking drive!
Posted by Pablo on 28 June 2011,21:55The drain was no longer needed Tony the road water fell from the kerb to the clients house and it was there to deal with the continous flooding that caused. The clients drive falls to the house and the pavement water now falls to the kerb and a new road gully installed by the council last month.
Al thats not a borrowed view it's the reverse of the other one I don't plagarise stripey lawns Lol.
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 28 June 2011,21:58I was wondering about the drain as well!
Nice work Pablo.
Mae sure you vary the direction of cut on your stripey lawns - stops ridging and bare patches where you turn the roller.
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 28 June 2011,22:00Lovely look kerb line
What kerbs are they?
Posted by Pablo on 28 June 2011,22:17The Kerbs are Tobermore Kerbsetts Tbh they're a bollox to use if you get the toe and heel slightly out it really stands out but they're worth the effort.
Posted by London Stone Paving on 28 June 2011,22:19Kerb line is sublime Pablo. Nice granite step as well, shame about the defect. Thats the thing with bespoke stone. any defects or chips are very noticeable and people are not so tolerant towards dinks when they've just spent £900 on a granite step.
£900 though, jeez. Someones done very well out of that deal. With the right kit there's an absolute maximum of 3 hours work making that step.
Posted by rab1 on 28 June 2011,22:22nice work mate, the edging does look good but on the lawn, the lawn looks "no bad" .
Posted by London Stone Paving on 28 June 2011,22:29
Its all on the company who supplied the stone. When people are paying big bucks they expect the best and rightly so. Its down to the stone masons in the yard to select the right piece of stone and cut and fabricate it perfectly. It then needs to be well packaged and stored safely. You then need to load it on to the truck carefully without bumping into anything. Last but not least you need a good driver to get it to site and unloaded it safely. Plenty of opportunity for damage.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 29 June 2011,20:43well it had to pass
we were digging drains today ,so i got a few snaps of the chipies handiwork
big loft ,lots of celotex to cut in
windows getting fitted in the dormers tomorrow
the soon to be stairwell,1 wrong measurement here and you are 2 grand out of pocket
"just carry those 60 sheets of 12.5mm up the stairs lads"
they started doing 1 at a time so i set the benchmark and did 3 at once,paul remarked how purple i looked?
yet more storage
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 30 June 2011,17:49neat chippying, like it.
Posted by Dave_L on 02 July 2011,06:57Bit of machine lay black this week, this was one of the jobs. Mornings work, 3 guys, 53ton road base and 33 ton 10mm SMA
Stoning up before, not us, groundworkers did this
60mm Road Base
Road base complete
10mm SMA complete
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 02 July 2011,10:21very tidy looking work there dave
faultless to my eye
Posted by London Stone Paving on 02 July 2011,21:54Nice work Dave. Out of interest whats cheaper concrete or tarmac?
Posted by dig dug dan on 03 July 2011,10:52
have heard that one too tony. along with draining the whole drive into the air bricks of the house!
Posted by haggistini on 03 July 2011,11:19Nice work fella's very neat jobs. Can't wait to see the garden design LLL !
Posted by Dave_L on 03 July 2011,20:55
For us, tarmac. Quick and easy to lay (to an extent)
Trafficable the next day, that is a big plus point in loading yard situations etc
Posted by Pablo on 03 July 2011,21:05Is that a Terex digger Dave what are they like. Tarmac is much cheaper than concrete if you're using a reinforcing mesh if you're not then it's about the same over here Steve.
Posted by London Stone Paving on 03 July 2011,21:07
You read my mind Dave.
We rent out storage space in a garden centre and the concrete is breaking up in many places. Thinking about maybe patching up with tarmac. How thick would it need to be to take 5 forklift trucks going over it for 10 hours per day?
Posted by Dave_L on 04 July 2011,05:2780mm road base and 30mm 10mm SMA 50pen is the spec we use at the local paper mill for forklift trafficked areas.
Posted by Dave_L on 04 July 2011,05:28
That small cream coloured digger isn't ours, it's some old antique.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 05 July 2011,22:10flat roofs finally done and all scaffold dropped
scenic view from up top
drains connected to monster soakaway and backfilled
sadly the machine was long gone so its hand dig now
and barrow to the skip
all topsoil dug out,not just grass
N.B. all DIYers
stone arrives as promised by LSP
the svelte figure of LLL on the wacker plate
and yes it is crushed concrete
great wackers these ,anti vibe handles and a water tank to keep the dust down
riverwash sand arriving AM but looks like a wet one tomorrow but were not made of salt eh lads?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 05 July 2011,22:12ohh spot the difference time?
can you see anything different?
Posted by digerjones on 05 July 2011,22:15the water tank on the wacker is a good idea, how come you not using type 1. what that builing in the distance from top, is it a water tower, looks interesting.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 05 July 2011,22:29the water tower is my favourite building in luton
link < here >
developers recently tried to convert it to a 3 bed house but there were multiple issues ,needed 5 boilers,70 foot lift to living room
130 bin liners of pigeon poo,the hips on the roof are 14 metres long so scaffolding cost an arm and a leg
built in a time when appearance meant more than functionality
i live pretty close to it now and it pleases me just to look at something so grand
the crush is type 1 but never again
every time i ring up for MOT type 1 i get the same story
"got some fantastic crush here for 1/3 the price of MOT"
and it is rarely much good
but I feel that 125mm of it wacked under a patio will be more than sufficient
no more crush unless i crush it myself
Posted by London Stone Paving on 05 July 2011,22:29Site looks in great nick
How deep is the soakaway?
Do you always lay a membrane on top of the base?
Are you laying the paving yourself Tony or are you just putting it all together?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 05 July 2011,22:34well for the additional cost (about £60) i feel the terram is an upgrade,not 100% necessary ,but its too late once the stone is in
soakaway is 2m cubed,so 8M3 in total (digger dug that)
and yes your truly will be laying all the flags
1 mixing and bringing mortar
1 picking and bringing slabs
and me laying
god help me if I drop a bollock
will never hear the end of it here
Posted by rab1 on 05 July 2011,22:53you take pride in your work mate and it shows.
Posted by London Stone Paving on 05 July 2011,22:55Tidy site is an efficient site. Keeps your head clear as well
Posted by digerjones on 05 July 2011,23:14i thought the tower looked interesting shame theres no pics of it on that link. why pay £60 for membrane when proberly not needed then skimp on stone getting cheaper recycled crush in. good look with laying we want plenty of pics so we can pick you up on something. like tell your labourer to wear shorts or trousers nothing embetween.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 06 July 2011,00:09if you google " bailey hill water tower" you will find plenty dylan
MOT type 1 costs around £45 for a single tonne down here or £250 for 10 tonnes
recycled (loads coming off the motorway) is £100 for 10 tonnes
as i said i will never use it again,sick of hearing the same old stories,then it turns up so, so.
if you crush it yourself you know whats been crushed
Posted by dig dug dan on 06 July 2011,18:15
too right. Its what i have been doing now for 7 years, and i have a stock pile of around 40 tonne back at base which is "grade a"
from the top of your job, am i right in thinking you can see your house tony?
Nice wacker. thats the all plant crew who do stihl cut off saws cheaper than my dealer buys them in at!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 06 July 2011,18:57you can indeed dan but discretion forbids me from pointing it out
all plant seem to look after us, and their kit always works
Posted by Dave_L on 07 July 2011,19:31£45/t for stone & £250 for 10ton........Bloody hell!
London prices I guess........
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 07 July 2011,21:54no stone round here dave
just sand which we get dirt cheap
5kw solar panel system installed by EVO
their blokes were from all over the country but the installation was very neat and efficient given the horrific weather this morning
made a start on the patio but with 7 hours rain in the last 2 days progress has been hampered
so during the wet we did some insulating with kingspan in the loft
rockwool or solid i hate insulation,very user unfriendly
Posted by cookiewales on 08 July 2011,06:30very nice work there lll type one on our job ten pound 20 p ton delivered 2o ton loads 60 mile radiael
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 08 July 2011,14:18Patio looking good what will you be pointing with?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 08 July 2011,16:33easipoint sandstone
finished the area today just the setts to do
the old back is feeling rather warm right now
couple of black liquid painkillers later methinks
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 08 July 2011,20:33How much is it gonna cost to do all that in easipoint
How wide are your joints
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 08 July 2011,20:53by the time i do the double course of setts about £250-300 for easipoint and a day for 2 men so another £300
this has all been factored in to the price so its no problem
joints vary from 8-25mm
we use lines on both the X and the Y axis with a 1:60 fall and a gauge rod, but as i am sure anyone who has laid injun stone random knows tht is is impossible to achieve 10 mm joints to to inaccurate sizing,especially of my pet hate the small units
i tried to talk the client in to having coursed work but to no avail
Posted by irishpaving on 08 July 2011,21:25Top marks for top work done by top workmen...
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 July 2011,12:42rest of the area complete
started to cut the arcs this morning
straight edge is laid there for reference
dig out and install double sett perimeter Monday (cheers haggis)
then point up tuesday hopefully
off to another wedding this afternoon,so could be some drunken ramblings later
Posted by pickwell paving on 09 July 2011,18:23Coming along nicely Tony did the gaffer design the layout for you?
Posted by DNgroundworks on 09 July 2011,18:26Few pictures of our last job, finished today, strange colour of stone i think but nice and different none the less, jointed today with gftk vdw800.
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Posted by DNgroundworks on 09 July 2011,18:29Ill try again eh
Posted by dig dug dan on 09 July 2011,19:38that look good dan. What did you say was that grouting? is it as good as romex?
Tony, how did you get on managing the joint widths with the smaller size stones? how were the slabs in general to lay. it looks like a lovely surface
Posted by flowjoe on 09 July 2011,20:57DNG, some detail in that inset cover and frame. Nice work
Posted by DNgroundworks on 10 July 2011,10:51Cheers flow, nice job shame about the colour im more of an autumn brown guy and thats more like raj purple/yellow lol.
Dan its the gftk vdw 800, two part epoxy from ncc streetscape ive never used anything like that before and to me it seems fantastic, i wouldnt know about romex ive never used it pal.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 July 2011,11:52fantastic work dan
very neat cutting round the inset cover
the slabs were fine on the whole dan ,we just set up datums and moved the line across 290ish mm at a time
i think with random you will always get a disparity with joint sizes,coursed is the way forward
and yes lee it is the gaffer's design when its done i will post the design and the finished job
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 July 2011,11:54ps DNG what a shame to have that rotary washing plug in the paving,it doesn't ruin it but surely they could have moved it in to the grass?
Posted by DNgroundworks on 10 July 2011,18:59yes it is a shame, but the whole reason for that circle is so that she can peg her washing out and not have to walk on the grass
Posted by Pablo on 10 July 2011,19:43looking good Dan and tony that gftk leaves a good finish and i don't think the stone colour is too bad. Also well done not trashing the lawn the client must be happy. I have noticed that a lot of folks on here only trim the outer edge of the flags and whilst it looks fine I reckon trimming all of it makes for a better more balanced finish if the clients agreeable to it.
Posted by DNgroundworks on 10 July 2011,19:50what do you mean pablo?
Posted by Pablo on 10 July 2011,20:07using the setts to trim the flags on all sides including along the house not just the lawn edge.
Posted by DNgroundworks on 10 July 2011,20:15Ah i get you, i personally think its to much, but ill try and talk the next client round - ill post some photies if they go for it!
Posted by pickwell paving on 10 July 2011,21:45Nice work Dan lovely cutting round the recessed cover we used some of the gftk on a job recently for the 1st time, amazing stuff would be my pointing of choice on everyone job if the budget allowed for it.
Posted by London Stone Paving on 12 July 2011,19:52Cracking cutting there Dan. It was worth having the drain there just to demonstrate the quality of your cutting
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 12 July 2011,21:29did you lay the circle first then ,lay the setts to it or visa versa dan?
I find it easier and neater to lay the main body then cut it in situ
but i know others do it differently
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 12 July 2011,21:46I've used that 800 stuff too, fantastic.
Posted by DNgroundworks on 13 July 2011,16:27No we laid the circle first, then laid the flags that are at the edge on the grass so they were hanging over were they would be laid but just higher up then, we used draining rods to create the curve with me holding it at one end and my brother at the other and then put a little tension on it to make the desired curve then marked then cut, cutting a curve free hand with no guide is very tricky, and to get a sweet curve as well that doesnt look like a dog pissing in the snow is nigh on impossible, so i find that draining rods on this job to be just right for striking the curve.
We cut back and allowed 4.5 inch to slot the setts in after.
Posted by DNgroundworks on 13 July 2011,16:28Obviously the main body of the paving was already in as well as the circle, before we started on cutting the curve in.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 13 July 2011,16:42more or less the way i do it
good lateral thinking with the drain rods
my old boss used to use hose pipe
Posted by DNgroundworks on 13 July 2011,18:26Some more pics, disabled access path, just waiting for the locals to plant up the soil area and ill get some finished pics.
Posted by DNgroundworks on 13 July 2011,18:27i tried to re-size them!!!!
Posted by dig dug dan on 13 July 2011,20:14looking good dan. If i could comment on the trailers. are they yours? i see the hitch on the far one has a security device.
the one problem with ifor's is the hitch they suply is c**p. As soon as i got my tipper, i got the head changed to an indespension triple lock. Not cheap, but impossible to drill out.
Ifors are so easy to steal otherwise:(
Posted by DNgroundworks on 13 July 2011,20:33The plant trailer isnt mine, its my mates but it is a really good trailer, the tipper is mine the lock on it shit so i bought the bulldog lock. You would have to bash away at it for a while to get it off i reckon.
Posted by dig dug dan on 13 July 2011,20:49good. make it hard work for them, then they nick someone elses!
Posted by DNgroundworks on 13 July 2011,21:02Plus i usually leave it laden full of shi@e over night!! I fancy a bigger one though mines a tt85 model id like the tt105 model so if anyone wants to do a swap plus some cash let me know.
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 13 July 2011,21:15the farm at the bottom of our hill stores caravans etc and other trailers, the local travelling community swapped the hitch off a caravan for the one on the plant trailer with the brand new tracked chipper on, the balls on those lads to have the patient to undo the nuts etc.
top work lll and dn, how wide is that path dan? is it 1.8m for disabled access nowadays?
Posted by dig dug dan on 13 July 2011,21:27
another advantage of a triple lock head is that it CANNOT simply be undone. to remove it, you have to cut it off. No doubt they would do that and get away with it though
Posted by darrenba on 13 July 2011,21:36I've got both of these on mine, and it's blocked in overnight too.
Posted by dig dug dan on 13 July 2011,21:57the wheel clamp is pretty useless, ive seen how they get wrenched off, but the hitch lock is good. besides, the more you add things, the harder it is to steal, so they go for something else.
Trouble is, the longer it then takes you to hitch the damn thing up trying to undo everything!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 13 July 2011,21:59AFAIK it has to be 1200 wide for wheelchairs ,with a flat area every 6 metres maximum
very tidy looking work dan is the digger yours?
the only thing i would point out is where you have the acute angle on your edging they usually make me cut the sharp bit off with the stihl
PLANT ===> if i cant have a strimmer without getting burgled i would be chancing it with a digger/trailer
after many burglary's and vehicles broken into we have made the conscious decision to hire in kit we don't use on a monthly basis at least
Posted by digerjones on 13 July 2011,22:33i would say the hitch locks on trailors is useless, they just back up and rap a chain round the front of it and drive off. i would think with the wheel clamps they would just drive off with them still on. i suppose one way is to chain it to something or take all the wheels off every night, then you would have to find somewhere to lock the wheels up.
Posted by rab1 on 13 July 2011,22:33We have the same sort of problem, mainly drills etc that vanish but on the job i`m on right now someone broke in and stole a plasters paddle, why.....?.
I hate thieves and the people that buy from them are worse.
Posted by DNgroundworks on 14 July 2011,10:04@ GB ye its 1.8 mtrs i just matched the width to the path at the other side of the building!
@ LLL no Tony the digger is not mine, i wish it was its an awesome machine, the fellas who owns it has just bought a brand new 8 tonne kubota, now that is good. Yes i was going to cut that sharp bit off the stihl blew up ha ha! ill do it later today.
The hitch Locks are ok, more of a deterrent, like DDD says the more you try the less likely it is to get nicked, id sooner have that on than nothing.
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 14 July 2011,17:58I unashamedly love our kubota kx71-3, just put a kubota sticker on the back of my navara with the jcb and Deere one. I'd love to replace our 7ton sumitomo with a kubota 8 ton but 2nd hand plant has gone crazy of late.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 14 July 2011,18:09i think i mentioned that our digger man was offered what he paid for his 5 tonne takeushi 2 years ago
its all to do with the Japanese tsunami,they arent exporting any machines right now so lack of supply has driven the prices up
Posted by haggistini on 14 July 2011,20:42Wheres this patio then Tony is the pointing done yet?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 14 July 2011,22:56all in good time haggis
first that westons cider i was on about
about to start
customer decided they didnt want a conservatory after all,so we are now building a room with 6 massive veluxs and 2 picture windows
whole thing looks a bit yellow,dunno if my camera is on the blink
now we have to put a tiled roof on to what was the conservatory i cant do the two steps,due to scaffold
all the stone came from london stone ,steve AKA LSP did everything he said he would all for very reasonable money
will post more when its properly finished
ready for the silver bullets
Posted by Dave_L on 15 July 2011,06:26Nice backedger mitring DN!
That sun room will be far better than a cold old comnservatory! Wise decision.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 15 July 2011,06:57they were worried about the conservatory being too hot as its south west facing
6 1200 by 1200 veluxs going in the roof linked up
Posted by DNgroundworks on 15 July 2011,08:50Dave, how do you do them? i use a joiners sliding bevel to match the angle then flip it over so the other side it techinically half and use that angle, or is there another way? Ive ballsed lots of them up, so i thought id take a picture of that one!
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 15 July 2011,16:36One thing of note dan and I'm guilty of doing it in the past, the maximum legal train weight of the navara is 4700kg, given a Kerb weight of 2200kg gives you 2500kg for your trailer and load. Ialso have abour 300-400kg of tools and 120kg for myself (fat git). So the kx71-3 weighs 2885kg ish minus buckets fuel muck on the tracks etc. Then maybe 900kg for the trailer means there's nothingyou can tow them with other than a truck or tractor. We move ours now on the 7.5 toner or tractor.
The navaras towing capacity is 2700kg but that means on a test track etc. Like I say I did it for years till I knew. They don't like 4 tons on the back of them lol sluggish getting going.
Posted by Pablo on 15 July 2011,17:50I've always struggled with guessing what a Kubota weighs from it's coding on the side of them. It couldn't be towed on a 3.5ton trailer then either which for the sake of a few hundred kilos is short sited of the manufacturer.
Posted by haggistini on 15 July 2011,19:26Looks good tony and well finished I've had a few encounters with old Rosie they had to stop selling it round my way for obvious reasons
Posted by DNgroundworks on 15 July 2011,19:55Rosie?
Ye Giles i know shhhh!!, the navara's going, absolutely diabolical mechanically, bought a swb shogun, bigger engine and more towing capacity, auto box much better for the job.
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 15 July 2011,20:29I'd not have an auto for towing, like I say even the defenders which have a 3.5 ton towing capacity still cat legally tow that. Also your trailer can't be heavier than the towing vehicle. Pablo realistically even with manufactures pushing 2.5 ton machines still aren't legal unless behind a truck. 1.6 to 2 ton max is all you can legally tow behind a van or pick truck or 4x4
I love westons not had the Rosie yet though like the vintage 8.5% stuff
Posted by dig dug dan on 15 July 2011,20:49My cabstar can tow 3500kg.but if i buy a 3 tonne crusher, the trailer it goes on weighs 800kg, so already i'm overweight. Its a bit of a nonsense.
I knew someone who brought a chieftain trailer, put a 3 tonne jcb on it, plus buckets, and went on the weighbridge at 4500kg! well overweight.
As giles says, you cannot have the trailer weighing more than the towing vehicle. if you do, it starts snaking, and will eventually flip over.
Posted by Dave_L on 15 July 2011,20:50And behind a truck you'll be needing a C1+E licence!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 15 July 2011,21:41
you can watch " traffic cops " on bbc 1 or iplayer,its set in luton ,and gives a fair description of what life is like here
my mrs was on it last night for a parking offence outside an indian where i was picking up dinner
there was another fella that got filled in a few years back giving it the race card,but I know for a fact all his mates are white
plus ca change plus ca change
Posted by dig dug dan on 15 July 2011,22:01
really? i just watched it on my humax from last night, and never saw it. did i miss something??
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 15 July 2011,22:09in the first 10 seconds dan they spoke to a woman in the window of a saab covertible
i was in the curry house picking up dinner,when i returned she moaned about being asked to move off a double yellow
she never mentioned the camera but from her angle you wouldnt see it
TBH the programme is a fair reflection of Luton
Posted by DNgroundworks on 15 July 2011,22:25All the legal stuff aside, compare the brakes, suspension, engine, abs traction control etc that you find on the shogun to the spec of land rover, i think the shogun will out perform lol. Ive driven both and it does.
i thought the max train weight is 7 tonne? Depending on vehicle, so in theory, if the tow vehicle is maxed out to 3.5 tonne and the trailer is up to 3.5 tonne, then all is ok?
Im not spending a fortune on a truck, licence, o licence and maintenance just to move a digger 10 times a year!!! I only tow it locally anyway.
Posted by Carberry on 15 July 2011,22:44My navara is getting taken in to Nissan on Tuesday, been recalled because of something to do with the wheels. Been looking at getting a digger recently, glad you all mentioned maximum weights
< Towing fail >
Posted by msh paving on 15 July 2011,23:26Any 4x4, transit etc with a gross train weigh over 3.5 tons needs a tacho fitted to tow a trailer, full stop end off story,chek out hewden trannys, hss trannys ,speedy and travis perkins.in this area 4 mates got pulled in last 3 monthes for running a buisness towing diggers etc about with no tacho, 1 guy was even in a long wheel base shogun....., but exception to the rule are utilitys companys on repairs and bursts, i'm not saying you will get caught tommra.... but there is always a chance and they will win everytime MSH
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 15 July 2011,23:46thats actually not true, you only need a tacho if your main jobis driving if your carrying your own goods and materials within a 60 miles radius you dont need a tacho, also utilities work is tacho exempt.
If you are delivering machines for hire then you do as your solely driving
dan there will be a plate for the car that has the maximum permissible loadings for it, navara is 4700kg
the 3.2 swb shogun
Gross Combination Mass = 5160Kg
Tare (Kerb Mass) = 2085Kg
Payload = 575Kg
Maximum towing capacity (with brakes) 2500Kg
Towball down load = 250Kg
i fancy i go in one of those VW amoraks got the td6 out the toureg havent they? my mum had the v12 diesel toureg that was a monster
Posted by Dave_L on 16 July 2011,09:02V10 diesel wasn't it Giles?
You're spot on with the 60 mile radius and own goods. VOSA have far more power these days and they know who to pull over....
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 16 July 2011,11:51Yeah v10 sorry it's the s8 that's got the v12 hehe but those amoraks look lovely. My mum had it for two months then her conscious and green piece membership meant at 12-16mpg she wouldn't keep it
Posted by haggistini on 16 July 2011,13:11stunning truck im sure one passed me in cheshire ? but what a shite name!!!
Posted by DNgroundworks on 16 July 2011,15:01Giles i dont know where you got them figures from but for the swb equippe commercial shogun it has a towing capacity of 3000 kgs, Got that figure off the mitsubishi website.
And Giles is right about the tacho, i have a book here from vosa and we are exempt.
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 16 July 2011,16:04yeah thats the towing capacity based on the engine the chasis and the breaks and not on the public highway the figure i quoted are so you are legal.
the manufacturer quoted towing capacity is the ability of the vehicle to pull off on a 12% gradient with said load on, not its road legal load.
like the defender has towing capacity of 3500kg but not on the road etc
its like saying the towing capacity of a 500hp artic is 200 tons but unless youve got the right axles and trailers etc you are legally only allowed a gross weight of 40 tons etc.
theres a lot of duff information and hersay about towing like the 85% rule which is just a guidline anyway not a law.
like dans cabstar it says 3500kg towing limit but its gross train weight is 5400kg, so a kerb weight of 2382kg dry only gives you 3000kg ish to be in legal then when you add in driver tools, tool boxes etc trailer means you only get about 1.5-1.8 tons legally.
its quite a confusing area just finger crossed for everyone and avoid VOSA. im no saint hehe ive been and got 3 tons of soil tipped into my big plant trailer and groosed up at 7300kg with the navara oops
Posted by dig dug dan on 16 July 2011,16:27
how up to date is that dan, as i researched into this recently, and discovered the rules changed last year, which concur with MSH
Posted by DNgroundworks on 16 July 2011,17:37Well i got the book when i bought my trailer last year ill quote fromn it now.
TOWING AND THE LAW
Exemptions from the requirement to fit a tachograph
"Vehicles with a maximum permissible weight of not more than 7.5t carrying material or equipment for the drivers use in the course of his work within a 50 km radius of the place where the vehicle is normally based, provided that driving the vehicle does not constitute the drivers main activity."
Barlow trailers gave me this book and highlighted that passage and said to carry it with me in my truck, they said if i was to get pulled by VOSA then show them the highlighted passage and tell them nicely that according to this you understand that you are exempt.
Like Giles says its a very tricky area and vosa cant interpret their own legislation they just seem to make the rules up for each individual driver. I reckon that even if you have a tacho, b+e licence, everything secure they would get you for something else anyway, like axle loadings, or an underweight tow vehicle or a list of a hundred other things that no normal person can understand, interpret or implement. Again as Giles says i think if you do your best what else can you do except than get a degree in bloody towing law and just hope that you dont get pulled!
Posted by DNgroundworks on 16 July 2011,17:54See here - vosa website
< http://www2.dft.gov.uk/pgr....ods.pdf >
Start at page 7 and go from there. Alternatively go to page 11 scroll down near the bottom of the page and you will see the exemption i mentioned above.
Posted by DNgroundworks on 16 July 2011,17:56http://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/index.php?/topic/41963-legislation-on-tachographs-and-trailers/
The above is someone who posted the question on a police website to ask what they made of the law.
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 16 July 2011,19:14it was featured in earthmovers 2 months or so ago about towing and tachos, specifically tailored for plant etc and thats what they said having vosa and legal advice that if your main job is not driving then you are exempt from the EU driver hours rules i.e tacho.
Dan whats that preston exclusive homebase contractors thing in your sig? homebase the diy shed?
fingers crossed and do all possible to avoid a tug from vosa
Posted by msh paving on 16 July 2011,19:14ignorance off the law is no defence,my info came from 4 different buisness assoicates all towing trailers behind 4x4 isuzu,toyata land cruser and ford transit,the last man was done 6 weeks ago trailer behind isusu £2000 fine and had to have tacho fitted £1000 cost,once you exceed 3.5 ton gross you come into tacho rules, but soon as trailer is took off drive as long as you like.i'm not a expert but 4 people getting done for same thing seams to prove it to me,utilities are excempt ,MSH
Posted by pickwell paving on 16 July 2011,19:29We got pulled by vosa at the end of last year with a 1.5 tonner on a trailer behind our tranny crew cab, because of a cock up on another job we had to go somewhere else which meant borrowing a trailer from a firm we subbie for, they weighed us and we were under weight, then they started about distances from base and we were over the 50 km from our base but we argued that we weren't from where we picked the trailer up from and they let us off, he even said if you get the reg plate off your van and on the trailer by the time he'd done the paper work he wouldn't do us for not having one!
Posted by dig dug dan on 16 July 2011,20:22I have been wrangling over this tacho law for some years now, and when i ordered my new truck, i had one fitted. I then had to get a drivers card (£38 lasts for three years).
Everytime i go over 30mph the damn thing says i am speeding!!. I have tried to get it altered, and no one seems to be able to help me. It is supposed to be calibrated too, but again, to no avail
I have tried to comply with the rules, but its not easy trying to stick to them in this way, for such a stupid thing as drivers hours.
Who here ever travels more than 4 hours to get to a job??
Incidentally, the 50kph rule is only 30miles, which isn't a lot!
Posted by DNgroundworks on 16 July 2011,20:37Giles yes its Homebase the diy shed lol, what it is homebase have exclusive approved contractors for each individual store and im exclusive to both preston branches, manchester branches will have their own contractors who their staff will promote and likewise staff at the preston branches will promote my business if customers ask for advice or if they can reccomend a contractor.
Ive to approve the artwork and that yet but it should all start in about 3 weeks time.
Posted by DNgroundworks on 16 July 2011,20:39It looks to me like there getting done when the shouldn't be! It says there in the link i posted......
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 17 July 2011,12:17like i say a lot of hearsay banded about, if there main job is delivering products or plant then yes they need one, even things like catering trailers etc i think need them there are some exemptions though as listed here, excuse the large size but though be easier to read. and sorry for the copyright infrringement, everyone should subscribe to earthmovers
Posted by Tommy on 17 July 2011,12:45My Earthmovers subscription has two more editions, then it expires, had the August one last week, then had another August one the next day.
Posted by Stuarty on 17 July 2011,14:24I drive the van at work, and tow the trailer. We cover alot of miles each year, and quite a few of our runs end up being 30 - 70 miles away, even been down to England to collect slabs. Im towing a trailer just about everyday, so from what I gather here, i should be running with a tacho?
These VOSA rules and regs do my head in, nothing seems to be nice and clear
Posted by Pablo on 21 July 2011,19:41A wee back garden this week with some sand stone 600x600 and Quartzite crazy paving trimmed with granite. Finished off with water feature planting and raised veg planter. Nice job to work on and cracking cups of tea.
I love working with this stuf it only costs about £9m2 and is easily worked into shape with a hammer I hate seeing it cut to fit it never looks right the lines are to straight. This piece has enough bling on it to keep ony cheshire wife happy.
Also got started on next weeks job by getting a subbie to excavate a slope to give the client an upper garden thats level and has a veiw of most of the city and the shipyard.
Posted by pickwell paving on 21 July 2011,22:31Lovely work there Pablo did you use gftk for the jointing?
Posted by jonnyboyentire on 21 July 2011,22:54That crazy looks lovely pointed with polymeric.
Nice work chap.
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 22 July 2011,08:59That's a great transformation Pablo, what's it jointed with?
On the raised garden job were the cast in situ Walls and steps already in or your work? Sorry was on phone theyre block rendered on closer look, will they be up to the push on that? They tied in with steel to footings?
Also were those lads already on site? Looks like new build estate? As seems excessively big machine for a little area, with low loader cost etc
Posted by haggistini on 22 July 2011,19:26Nice work there Pablo looks very nice , good use of different materials top job!
Posted by Pablo on 23 July 2011,21:33The pointing is called Immobest it's Belgian i think although i reckon they're under licence from Romex all the colours are very similar. Giles the walls are up 4 years I don't know the construction but the builder is on the ball and the houses sell for 700 plus. Cutting into the slope is reducing the pressure anyway and it's just a patio lawn anchor wall and plants. The digger was brought by a tractor the fella is a farmer we needed it because we had 15 loads to shift and the ground is pretty solid. I'm also using the builders 5 tonner to do the final level but it wouldn't have been quick enough to load the muck out you get charged if you go over 10mins a load. Thanks for being nice by the way fellas.
Posted by rab1 on 23 July 2011,22:58whos being nice mate?, top class work is always top class work. I do like that stone.
Posted by DNgroundworks on 24 July 2011,18:47That stone is lovely, were did you get that from then? ive never seen anything like that for sale before
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 27 July 2011,23:20nice work pablo
dont seem to be any weepholes in that wall?
I know its not your wall but the engineer tells me that build up of water causes retaining walls to fail more than anything
also as per my romex thread,I am starting to worry about polymerics in the medium term
2 patios i did in 2006 and 2007 the romex has started eroding
i want things to last for good if at all possible
like that quartz btw is it local?
my local BM had a load of spanish quartz for years but no one ever bought any,
Posted by Pablo on 28 July 2011,20:42The stone is from Donegall and is quite readily available over here but not many go for it because of the labour costs involved. I get a few jobs a year with it the most I've ever laid was about 400m for an italian restuarant chain inside and out with similar walling and waterfeatures and internal fishpond the place went bust last year.
No ugly weepholes in the wall just plenty of drainage the pipe goes under the step and out the side between the 2 houses.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 28 July 2011,22:34what is it with donegal and plasterers?
every second donegal man in luton is called docherty and is a plasterer or screeder?
love the finish pablo
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 01 Aug. 2011,22:06a new month and a fill in job while the sparks and plasterers finish the other job
11.30 AM muck and digger gone waiting for BCO
conveniently found gas leccy and water
concrete turned up at 2.30 PM
Posted by dig dug dan on 02 Aug. 2011,16:23what are you building there tony. I am a bit confused as the footings do not join onto the existing building. Is it an out house??
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 02 Aug. 2011,16:32because of the services all being 450-750 mm away from the house we hand dug around them today and lintelled into the existing brickwork with R15s
it is a living room for a disabled person ,his existing living room will be converted to a bedroom and his dining room to a special shower room
he has been waiting 8 years so him and his family are over the moon to see us
the tea is bountiful and good
Posted by dig dug dan on 02 Aug. 2011,17:32
what more could you ask!!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 02 Aug. 2011,19:10oh i forgot to mention jammy dodgers and ice cold ribena
Posted by ilovesettsonmondays on 02 Aug. 2011,19:20funny enough luton was talking about donegal today in work . all murphys tunnellers are from donegal . its a closed shop
Posted by Injured on 02 Aug. 2011,20:27
Drive completed couple week ago.
Posted by dig dug dan on 02 Aug. 2011,20:28
what time do i start on site
Posted by Injured on 02 Aug. 2011,20:29What I am laying this week
17 ton of granite.
Posted by Bob_A on 02 Aug. 2011,20:40What are they and who makes them
Posted by digerjones on 02 Aug. 2011,20:50the granite looks good but how come they have gone for that type of material. looks like a modern house.
Posted by Injured on 02 Aug. 2011,21:15Bob they are Wyresdale Abbey setts main body is Orchid Flame with Ash border.
Digerjones. House is around 60 years old but customer only wanted setts and nothing else would do he first asked for a quote over 3 years ago and then got back in touch 4 month ago again. ;)
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 02 Aug. 2011,21:29I blame mr.Cook for all this sett mania thats sweeping the land
very nice work george
what are you pointing the setts with?
and how is monsieur le gammage?
Posted by Injured on 02 Aug. 2011,21:53Thanks Tony. Mick is great not spoke to him for a week or so though.
I will be pointing granite with Gftk 850 basalt.
I have always loved natural stone and if I had my way would only lay york stone or granite setts as i love laying it.
Keeps you strong and saves gym fees lol
Posted by Bob_A on 02 Aug. 2011,22:44
Certainly has got me interested!
< http://www.pavingexpert.com/cgi-bin....t=9621; >
Posted by Pablo on 06 Aug. 2011,20:06
Injured that stone is lovely but I'm sure it's basalt not granite although if you paid granite prices for it then your quids in because it's normally twice the price. The cutting around the step on the block drive is tidy too.
Posted by Pablo on 06 Aug. 2011,20:09Last couple of weeks after a fortnight off.
Footing for an anchor wall.
Wall half built so we can bring in topsoil before its finished.
Wall finished left small end open for access. Coping on and drainage fill and topsoiled.
Also got the neighbours cut ready for similar.
Had a couple of blinding days this week so took my break in the field behind the site.
Titanic was built by those big cranes.
Sawn sandstone arrived from Steve at London stone on thursday. Service and comms was first class and it was cheaper off him inc delivery than I could get from anyone in Ireland. All natural stone is becoming very hard to get here no one keeps any stock and you have to wait until they can fill a container with orders before you'll get your stuff it's a bloody nightmare.
LLL don't give me any sh#t for the blockwalls all I can say is they won't fall over and plaster hides a multitude of sins.
Posted by DNgroundworks on 06 Aug. 2011,21:31
Ha ha that cracked me up! Nice job and nice size to, i like jobs like that which are bit different from your standard paving projects.
Is the wall constructed out of tobermore products?
Posted by Pablo on 06 Aug. 2011,22:00Yes it's secura minor in slate with a slate tegula mowing strip.
Posted by michaelthegardener on 06 Aug. 2011,22:18
Posted by rab1 on 06 Aug. 2011,22:27the tobermore site near us has some cracking displays/products on display. about the big cranes h&w, that yoke sank but at least you still have a decent yard left.
Posted by Pablo on 06 Aug. 2011,23:03aye only the irish could be proud of a ship that was badly built. The yard is absolutely massive even though it's a 10th of it's original size. The dry dock those cranes are over was until recently the biggest in the world. It's now used mainly for assembling offshore wine turbines and loading them onto special jackleg ships. Have blagged my way in before with a mate who does electical work for then and the scale of everything is mind blowing. The titanic slip is on the river just behind the left hand crane.
Posted by haggistini on 07 Aug. 2011,07:52Cracking work all round fellas!
And nice pics, everyone seems busy
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 07 Aug. 2011,08:51
think they are called jack up rigs mate
wall looks fine are ye getting paranoia?
as for the titanic nothing wrong with the ship, it was the numptys like Ismay who wanted to cross fast and sailed too close to known icefields
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 07 Aug. 2011,09:12cracked on with the wee job
got to here by friday
hopefully we will have the roof on and tiled by next week
Posted by Pablo on 07 Aug. 2011,09:20the ones that come in here are ships although there is the occasional rig. It's an impressive sight when the turbines are loaded onto then and they're making their way out to sea you wonder how they stay upright. The titanic sank because it had no floor to ceiling bulkheads so water could flood from compartment to compartment. Most ships of that time had them but they deemed her unsinkable so didn't bother. Also they didn't want to clutter the decks with lifeboats because it would spoil her lines. Only one compartment was breached and a bulkhead would have saved the ship so the problem was in the design the iceberg shouldn't have sunk her.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 07 Aug. 2011,09:59the life boats on board met and exceeded the legal requirements of the time, and it was the media that proclaimed her unsinkable
there was pressure on captain smith to make the trip in record time as it was his last voyage
its a sad tale for sure and it was poorly designed,but H and W did their bit
Posted by Bob_A on 07 Aug. 2011,10:04Those setts look very deep what do they measure?
What sort of bedding are they on and how thick is it?
If you were using setts that were only 50mm deep how would the bedding differ?
Posted by DNgroundworks on 07 Aug. 2011,10:29Nice pot Michael!
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 07 Aug. 2011,10:30Love the holland and wolf shot love all that kind of geekery, titanic had the double hull hence claimed unsinkable albeit didn't take into account a 100k ton mountain of ice. It had water tight bulk heads but only up to a certain level so once the water in the struck compartment reach that level it then spiralled as the weight dragged it down, then the boilers were quenched and exploded making it worse.
Poor value of life in those days though, there was a ship within a few miles but mistook the rescue rockets for fireworks etc thank god for modern communications
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 07 Aug. 2011,14:14why didnt they text anyone eh?
been reading bill bryson's "at home" again
in the 18th century you only had a 1:2 chance of making 5 ,now thats scary
Posted by joydivision on 07 Aug. 2011,15:13nice little tidy job that LLL.
Do BC not have you cut out the cavities on the existing house wall, or a vertical dpc?
Posted by Injured on 07 Aug. 2011,17:37Bob the setts are between 4 to 6 inches thick and laid on grit sand/cement bed. which is on 150mm compacted MOT Type 1. Bed is min 50mm thick.
If they were all the same thickness then they could be laid like block pavers on a compacted screeded bed of grit sand.
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 07 Aug. 2011,17:39ive been reading the at home book its a good read
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 07 Aug. 2011,18:19
we had to do it in the 80s and early 90s but they stopped it now
apparently its only needed in exposed areas
Posted by joydivision on 07 Aug. 2011,19:51Really!
We stopped cutting the cavities out, but BC normaly want us top cut 40mm in and insert a vertical DPC.
Im in Manchester so most jobs are not in exposed locations either.
It does depend on which inspector turns up, but its usualy the case!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 07 Aug. 2011,22:40if you look at rainfall maps for the uk i live in just about the driest areas and manchester is one of the wettest
but same as you we just do what they ask
I hate retro fitting cavity trays above an abutment,total waste of time
Posted by joydivision on 08 Aug. 2011,17:31Dont mention retro fitted trays!
Fortunately only had to do one once!
Is it the NHBC that have now done away with trickle vents/weep holes? I think its them. Makes sense, if there is that much moisture in the cavity that it needs a hole to run out, then something is seriously wrong anyway!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 08 Aug. 2011,19:26all council work has to have those retro fit trays
complete waste of time and weakens the walls,
the kids love the snowstorm when all the polystyrene insulation flies out!
plus they only allow £50 a metre supply and fit
whereas they allow around £250 to supply and fit a back inlet gully
spon has a lot to answer for!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 20 Aug. 2011,08:05as its a small job will put the stream up
everything done is 14 days so far ,drains monday,
Posted by Dave_L on 20 Aug. 2011,09:33Tidy work Tone!
Posted by Pablo on 21 Aug. 2011,13:56You're the tidiest brickie I know Tony shame I can't afford you. To many folk wouldn't bother matching the brick in the old and new courses and don't seal the joint I hate seeing that.
Finally got some dry weather to let us finish this garden access up the track is too slippy for a machine in the wet. Paving was from London Stone and was very happy with it. Just got the planters and 3 more special order plants to be completely finished. The builder is doing a fence around it all next week and the plaster is getting painted once the client gets her finger out and choses a colour.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 21 Aug. 2011,15:32well if you dont seal the vertical joint 99/100 it cracks and looks pants
that tobermore gear on the wall looks mint,never see such rich colours down this way
I have down a few tiered gardens and its a shame that it cos ts so much as the silly steep gardens are basically useless
thats a total transformation there pablo ,i bet they are over the moon
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 23 Aug. 2011,22:11Lovely work fellas like the use of the brick tongs Tony have two pairs myself couldn't be without them now. Keep up the good work
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 27 Aug. 2011,06:32do you mean the profiles?
they are handy but I have issues with the pointing on the corners
anyway another busy and wet week
dug out drains for the wet room
because of the access everything has to come in and go out in buckets
shower screeded waiting for 2 part waterproofer to turn up then altro flooring
luckily the part of luton we are in has storm drains (thank you god) so we connected in to them with an ac400
spoke to a few people and thought i would try the plastic linear drains
must say quite impressed as they have a proper hole on the bottom for the 110 pipe to connect to,also they click together
anyway removed the old ramp which was only a metre wide
paul doing last of the digging
loading out the barface slabs
I like doing this kind of work as its varied and it really does make a difference to people's lives
got another ramp at the back to do next week and open up 4 internal doors to 1 metre openings
Posted by Injured on 07 Sep. 2011,21:40Latest job completed.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 08 Sep. 2011,05:36super stuff George
Posted by Injured on 08 Sep. 2011,06:42Thanks Tony
Posted by London Stone Paving on 08 Sep. 2011,10:27
Thats a fair job you've done with the levels Paul. Whats happened with the photos? I get a similar problem with my camera sometimes. Think its something to do with the autofocus in lowlight.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 14 Sep. 2011,20:55big mo-fo soakaway
non woven fabric
fabric and crates in hole
ready for shingle then back fill
as the area is total clay ,its a very expensive underground pond
5 tonne digger = £300 +vat
1 12m3 grab = £250 =vat
45m2 non woven geotextile = £50 +vat
32 pedestrian crates = £752 +vat
4 tonnes 10mm shingle =£160 +vat
2 men 3 hours to install and back fill =£150 +vat
so by the time we connect the linear drain to it your looking at a cool 2 grand for a blooming big hole underground
Posted by London Stone Paving on 15 Sep. 2011,08:15Bloody hell Tony thats a fair soak away. It looks more like one of those mass graves they have been finding in Benghazi.
Not sure it its just the angle but the old ramp on the previous job looks a bit steep, is that why your building a new one?
We did a job back home many years ago and the client wanted us to put a ramp in. We assured them that it was far too steep and that it should be steps, but they were insistent on this ramp. Anyway we built this ramp for them. When we had finished we just all stood back and burst out laughing, it was one of the funniest things I'd ever seen. Would have been ok for Eddie the eagle Edwards to practice on. Client saw the funny side and we removed it and put some steps in.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 15 Sep. 2011,14:19got it in one steve
new ramp is 1:15 old one was 1:9
no good for wheelchairs
Posted by Edgar on 15 Sep. 2011,15:26LLL,
That looks rather like the pond we had for our new drive last year. Similar sticky clay with very little topsoil. Ours only needed 10 crates - 5 in each layer. I decided to have the thing done properly to the new regulations although I thought it would just become a pond overflowing straight into the surface water drain. However I often open the manhole where the overflow joins the surface water drain just to have a look (mad?) and have never seen any sign of it overflowing into the drain. I've been quite amazed how effective it seems to be at disposing of the rain water. I think there is chalk below but I don't know how far down. Maybe it depends if the clay at the bottom of the pit doesn't get puddled during construction.
The only disappointing thing was that the soil over the crates wasn't compacted enough and so when I drove over it 4in ruts appeared. Yes, they were blue drive over crates - I'd specially asked for that.
Anyway it's nice to see a similar pond pictured here.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 15 Sep. 2011,17:01well officially clay is impermeable
but with 8 m3 the water has a chance to slowly filter through any fissures
we have made it good now and left the topsoil 225mm high to account for settlement over the winter
as you say there is probably chalk somewhere IIRC where we are working it is about 4m down
Posted by Pablo on 15 Sep. 2011,18:07tony first time i read that i thought it said big mofo in a soakaway. yak yak.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 15 Sep. 2011,18:26plus ca change ,mon ami
plus ca change
Posted by flowjoe on 15 Sep. 2011,19:37On a similar note to Tonys soak-away we are excavating a culvert blocked due to tree root ingress, its 3mtrs deep and approx 400mtrs long, fortunately we are not digging the lot up.
The culvert pre-dates the houses that discharge into it which are circa 1750 which dates the hand made and shaped bricks below to at least 260yo, think of the man shovel hours that went into its construction.
Do you think the stuff we put in the ground now will still be in use in 250 years time ?
Posted by seanandruby on 15 Sep. 2011,21:57would liked to have seen a step/batter in that dig, especially against the house wall where the ground is more likely to be ''live.'' would of been easier to place terran to. Tight squeeze there lll. Here we go again with h&s i hear you say.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 15 Sep. 2011,22:33it was 2 garden walls sean we had to get it as far away from the house as possible
I did wonder about possible shorings etc,but from the time the holes was excavated to being full of crates was less than 45minutes
you are right of course,but the site is tight and no where to step or batter to if that makes sense
re: the bricks davey
I have been to bovingdon and matthews brickyards and hand made bricks are still made the same way
1 man 4 molds (the little hump in the mold looks like a frog)
and a big lump of clay
he has to make 6000 a day to earn his crust
the only difference now is that the kilns are oil fired
Posted by Pablo on 15 Sep. 2011,22:44
It's a Nokia cam phone so I'm never gonna give David Baillie any sleepless nights. Keep promising myself a decent one maybe treat myself at Christmas. sh*t did I just say the c word it's way to early for that. The courier you used was on the ball by the way.
Posted by seanandruby on 16 Sep. 2011,08:01i think most guys on here use mobile phones due to being out working all day. If the photos and text aren't up to standard then just imagine us up to our necks in water, mud, or shite but still dedicated enough to visit the brew cabin to offer our twopennorth.
Posted by Carberry on 16 Sep. 2011,09:06
That and I keep on forgetting my good camera.
Posted by London Stone Paving on 16 Sep. 2011,10:08
You were lucky there Paul. They are usually complete numpties. We had a lorry in too our place today delivering a container. The guy sat in his cab drinking coffee and eating sandwiches while we unloaded the can. After we had finished he asked me if there was anywhere he could park the lorry while he took a tacho break. No business needs staff like that
Posted by Carberry on 19 Sep. 2011,22:04Poor effort at Drystone walling, Not done it before, got the stone for free and did it for the customer as a freebie
70m2 driveway / path / red decking:
decking (customer wanted it, not me
Fence from same job:
Monoblock curve porn:
Posted by Carberry on 19 Sep. 2011,22:05Laid a concrete slab for an autogas tank:
50m2 of fossil mint sandstone from Londonstone:
Same job at night:
After (30m2 of fossil mint sandstone from Londonstone):
Picket fence, same job as above:
Driveway gates I was asking about hanging:
70m2 of sawn harvest sandstone from Londonstone, started laying it today:
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 19 Sep. 2011,22:43nice tidy work carberry
did you use easipoint natural on that first patio?
I find the natural colour way too grey for most sandstone
sandstone works for me,kinda buff colour
i think coursed work is the way forward,random is way too much of a ballbreaker IMHO
Posted by Carberry on 19 Sep. 2011,22:59
Easipoint natural on first patio, second was just 4:1 building sand cement.
Given the choice I would rather do coursed, because random is a ball breaker as you say, but if I think random will look better or if customer wants random then I will lay random. I also hate those bloody 1x1s in random patterns and idiots dancing on them asking why they're rocking.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 21 Sep. 2011,21:57doing some odds and sods at the minute
we took out a 1970s fake fireplace this week and found a number of artefacts that the bricklayer had built in to the voids===> as you do
firstly he signs and dates the wall
then he scribbles "standy genius at work"
he does the crossword then builds the paper into the void
various fag packets ,coke cans,rizla,mallows packets also get built in
judging by the fag packets and coke cans it took him 3 days to build (big fireplace)
kevin doyle nice job mate,if you are still with us
Posted by rab1 on 21 Sep. 2011,22:02a man that took a pride. god bless
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 21 Sep. 2011,23:02i sign off a lot of stuff in unusual places
signed the girders above the 757 flight simulator when i was 15 at brittania airways in luton, and we nearly always put a silver coin under the first brick laid on any job
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 28 Sep. 2011,19:37continuing the eternal recent work thread,myself and pete the fabricator installed this double handrail today
stuff like this post crete comes into its own
obviously i did the digging etc and pete did the technical stuff
knocking a chimney down tomorrow
Posted by Pablo on 30 Sep. 2011,17:51Finished this yesterday another garden levelling and patio job . Done a few jobs like them this year clients are trying to get more from their homes rather than move.
After (as if that needs explaning).
I'm converted to coursed flags
House and fence getting painted next week weather permitting.
Was a few years ago but surprised the better half with a spa break a few weeks back and had a lovely view from our room of a sedum roof we installed.
Lots of hardscaping coming up and no soft scaping just what you want in the wetter months.:)
Posted by rab1 on 30 Sep. 2011,20:16looks great, you did a no bad job there.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 30 Sep. 2011,23:17i cannot believe with that eye for detail pablo that you couldnae work out how to upload photos for 4 years
outstanding work there
is that a takeuchi?
we have a 5 tonner coming tuesday to help us out,great machines
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 30 Sep. 2011,23:19oh yeah,and when i next get the chance its coursed flags all the way
looks so much more contemporary and neater than random
Posted by Carberry on 01 Oct. 2011,10:09
easier to point as well.
Great work pablo, nice choice of stone and colours too.
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 01 Oct. 2011,11:05me to, its coursed from now on i reckon
Posted by ambient on 01 Oct. 2011,11:06very nice work how much was the new takeuchi
Posted by Pablo on 01 Oct. 2011,15:53alas it's not mine it's on hire. I'd love to buy a digger but my work is so varied that I'm rarely using the same size from job to job. Next week I need a micro then after that it's a 5 tonner the job before this was a 3 tonner. It's easier and cheaper to hire although if the regeneration work that I've tendered for comes through I'll be buying one and a small telehandler.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 01 Oct. 2011,20:33few more from the frontline
granite got fitted last week bleeding heavy
do you reckon this chimney had seen better days?
down it came
cracking week this week but afraid its all going to come crashing down on tuesday
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 07 Oct. 2011,18:17busy old week this week
5 grab lorries away and 33 tonnes of stone in,10 tonne of ballast and lots of edges to do
this is the edge of the oval,i cannot get high enough to get an aerial view as it is a bungalow,the 2 pins and the string works good,cheers guys
oh and the railings i put in last week the skip lorry gave them a test
testament to why holes have to be 600mm deep
Posted by haggistini on 07 Oct. 2011,20:22Top notch LLL what a twat in the skip truck!
I have been slowly getting wound up in Cardiff with the so called stone Mason, but snapped today when he butted in with the drop of a delivery cos he didn't want to move his van! I threw the fucks in to him and the knob head driver who had a Friday head on arrrhhh...... Dick heads!
Posted by haggistini on 07 Oct. 2011,20:24Ps nice colour blocks them. Look good coursed
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 07 Oct. 2011,20:34calm down dear
they are Buckingham brindle's,i prefer the Blenheim blues myself but its not my house
the coursed stuff is only a border for the lydd beach shingle they want
have to do a 1200 path around the oval and some other stuff in herringbone
been laying the blocks on 250mm of leanmix and haunching, but was thinking of using your sett mix on the wider areas
is it 4:1 grit sand :cement?
Posted by haggistini on 07 Oct. 2011,20:46Yep .... Very rare red mist but feel better now
Posted by Dave_L on 08 Oct. 2011,08:46Got full payment from the big driveway job last week and a lovely letter of commendation
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 Oct. 2011,22:11slightly off topic,but mrs lout had a headache today so LLL had to get his cook hat on
its unusual in that i made dinner but what is especially unusual about this dinner?
a virtual pint for the correct answer!
Posted by London Stone Paving on 09 Oct. 2011,22:26Nice work there Paul, amazing transformation, client must be very pleased with that.
Whats the river in the background?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 Oct. 2011,23:26ey
Posted by Carberry on 10 Oct. 2011,07:31
Paul = Pablo.
River in background of sedum roof photo
Posted by London Stone Paving on 10 Oct. 2011,07:55Replied to the post at the end of page 39. Did not realise there was another page as well
Posted by seanandruby on 10 Oct. 2011,09:29
The sub base is uneven and the bedding layer for the Yorkshire pud is to thick also no gravy to spill down your chin and if it is for you, mrs lout and mini lout you have dished all the same size. But that will be more leftovers for you lll
Posted by London Stone Paving on 10 Oct. 2011,12:23what surprises me is that it looks edible
Posted by Pablo on 10 Oct. 2011,18:08there's no meat on the Sunday roast. Mines a whisky please. Thanks Steve I can't remember the rivers name but it's rather picturesque.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 Oct. 2011,18:45you can see the chicken,underneath the yorkshire on the bottom plate
no whisky today pablo
ps and the gravy is/was waiting to go on
Posted by seanandruby on 10 Oct. 2011,19:08Wouldn't normally have yorkies with chicken, usually beef
Posted by haggistini on 10 Oct. 2011,19:12Home made yorkshires!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 Oct. 2011,19:16they are indeed home made,by yours truly
aunt bessy has been banned from my kitchen and all her dark works
but that still isnt the answer
give you a clue
chicken,home made saga and onion stuffing,savoy cabbage,hellenor swede, picasso potatoes,scarlet emperor runner beans, tender and true parsnips,and early nantes carrots
Posted by DNgroundworks on 10 Oct. 2011,19:17no peas? lol
Posted by London Stone Paving on 10 Oct. 2011,19:24Thats what i thought as well Paul but I thought I saw some chicken on the left hand side of the front plate
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 10 Oct. 2011,19:27its all off your allotment.......
as for recent work i got my last weeks job cancelled so i found some other work to do
< http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyberprop/6229575657/ >
Posted by DNgroundworks on 10 Oct. 2011,19:37i think giles has got it!
Posted by haggistini on 10 Oct. 2011,19:54Have you run away and joined the circus?
Nice breasts photo any that aint cropped... ;)
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 Oct. 2011,20:01
a virtual pint to giles
one of the few weeks of the year when there is an assortment of stuff from the allotment
thats the last of the spuds and the first of the swede mind
anyone that thinks you could live off an allotment is stark raving mad,you get a total blank from about november till may unless you like leek and brussel sprout stew
i owe you one giles
btw did you take that photie?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 Oct. 2011,20:04geez if you click 2 away on newer stuff there is a far racier pic than the one shown
you lucky, lucky, man giles
long time since i saw anything like that (unpaid for anyway)
Posted by haggistini on 10 Oct. 2011,20:05Have a look now !!!!!!!
Posted by haggistini on 10 Oct. 2011,20:08Sweet!
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 10 Oct. 2011,20:10Haha that's one of about 300 lol, I choose not to post the other one as it was a bit to raunchy for the brew cabin lol. I've got 3 ladies booked in for lingerie type shoots 2 for Xmas presents for their husbands and 1 wants to capture her body before she has kids. Damn hard work for me hehehe, all be very tasteful mind.
Back to original topic I love this time of year though Sunday dinners and roaring fires and getting piss wet through every day lol
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 Oct. 2011,20:11did you loot miss selfridges giles
that bird has got hinges on her legs and no nostrils?
did you blow her up on your own?
Posted by haggistini on 10 Oct. 2011,20:16fook all wrong with aunt bessy for Monday dinner!
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 10 Oct. 2011,20:23I had a photo challenge for breast cancer awareness month, pink being the title spoke to a pretty ex of mine who used to love sending me pics of her in sexy undies she agreed got all set up with studio lights and even bought her the undies then she bottled in lol got all Girly about looking fat! This is a size 6 7st girl lol, so luckily she makes clothes do had dress makers manakins so she dressed her I snapped away. The boob shot is doing well in challenge so fingers crossed hehe and the shots with a bit of photoshopping have opened the door to the other girls wanting similar ones hehe.
If you could get blow dolls like that whod need real woman lol
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 Oct. 2011,21:52
funny how the old spelling goes when you type 1 handed eh?
very good photies all the same,
had me going for a minute
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 16 Oct. 2011,12:43a lot of setting out and cutting this week
my mate's back went so only 2 of us
lot of inboard cutting
the jcb blade for the stihl has cut over 500 clays on this job and still going well
seem like good blades
Posted by Dave_L on 16 Oct. 2011,13:01I use the JCB blades on all three of our saws they're great all-rounders and dirt cheap!
Posted by bobbi o on 16 Oct. 2011,19:43
how do they perform/last on the black stuff ?
Posted by mike builder/landscaper on 16 Oct. 2011,19:50a bloke in a van called a couple of weeks ago and was selling the jcb blades for 25 quid. i bought 4 and i think they are defo worth the money.
Posted by digerjones on 16 Oct. 2011,19:54how much do the jcb blades cost. i have been useing buildbase's branded blades at about £35. lasted well but had to cut tarmac and it did'nt like it. my dumpy level broke so i bought one of the laser level that was on offer £360 + vat with out staf and tripod.
Posted by Dave_L on 16 Oct. 2011,20:03We cut tarmac with the JCB blades, seem to cope with it alright. Price is about right.
Posted by ilovesettsonmondays on 16 Oct. 2011,20:04five jcb blades on ebay now at 20 pound each 3pound postage dylan
Posted by digerjones on 16 Oct. 2011,20:19cheers for that, never keen on them guys selling out of a van
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 16 Oct. 2011,20:47think i paid about a ton for 4 ,shocked at how easy they cut the clays
got about 15 m chase in tarmac tomorrow,that will be the test
Posted by Dave_L on 16 Oct. 2011,21:50Plenty of water Tony
Posted by Dave_L on 16 Oct. 2011,21:51
Know what you mean but when you get to know and trust one guy they're ok......
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 16 Oct. 2011,22:49no one legit sells stuff out of the back of motors nowdays dave
some sort of scam if thats the case
i think its the chippings that wreck the blade on tarmac
Posted by London Stone Paving on 17 Oct. 2011,10:55I remember when i first started scaping. I was approached by a guy in a van selling cheap diamond blades. When he told me the price I couldn't get my money out quick enough. Sounded too good to be true..it was, the blades were about as useful as a blunt knife. Learnt a lesson there.
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 17 Oct. 2011,14:15
Posted by seanandruby on 17 Oct. 2011,15:43Using a blade meant for concrete will make it wear out quicker. There are a lot of factors involved in cutting with blades that need to be taken into account, speed, dry/wet cutting diamonds wearing to fast before the matrix wears etc: Always use a blade for it's purpose ie, soft cutting ( tarmac, green concrete. ) or hard cutting like stone, concrete etc: You will get a longer working life from them if used with the correct materials.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 17 Oct. 2011,20:49giles you are taking the peesh mate
I am talking unmarked pikey wagons and you know that
FTR the JCB blade went through15 M of 80mm of tarmac top and base in less than 10 minutes with very little blade wear
I do find that you can get good and bad blades even in the same batch from the same manufacturer
or maybe its my imagination?
this particular blade ,I am gonna spray it gold and hang it on the wall
Posted by bobbi o on 17 Oct. 2011,22:38
cheers for that.the man dropped them off today. a steal at 100 for 5. he said their not stolen and he can't get any more.
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 17 Oct. 2011,22:42
of course i am this is still the brew cabin isnt it?
in our floor saw we have different blades for different surfaces, asphalt blades have bigger gaps between the diamond sections if i recall
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 17 Oct. 2011,23:24forgot to add the
Posted by dig dug dan on 20 Oct. 2011,15:47i often get a guy selling gloves. Seems genuine enough, has a landline number and an address, and the gloves are good. £10 for 12 pairs
Posted by Carberry on 20 Oct. 2011,16:49I keep getting offered memory foam mattresses from eejits driving past. When working in a crappy area I have been offered power tools too.
Posted by haggistini on 20 Oct. 2011,18:13Pikeys pick them up from retail seconds outlets and drive arround with a dodgy logo on their shirt pretending that the company has sent out to many with no invoice??? Don't buy from a van as they might do the old switcharooo! On laptops and power tools!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 20 Oct. 2011,20:26hopefully tomorrow will be ripoff on the 235m drive and paths we have been doing the last 3 weeks,might even get a chance to take some more pictures
was on the stihl today and used a whole 5 litres of juice,I dont count cuts but,reckon we marked and cut at least 400 all on curves
anyway while i was cutting i started thinking
and i realised it hasnt rained once during work hours in the last 3 weeks
sadly the spray from the stihl completely soaked my right leg and foot,partially compensating for hamstrings that feel as tight as a nun's
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 20 Oct. 2011,20:27thats strange i typed pay day as one word and it showed up as ripped off?
Posted by Dave_L on 20 Oct. 2011,21:03I looked at my payslip and it said "Gross Pay" yeah, i thought, you're not wrong there!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 22 Oct. 2011,14:29finally finished the lydd beach gravel and clay paver drive today
hard 3 weeks but the client and his neighbours are smiling
I went and got a tonne of topsoil for them today gratis and they gave us a very nice drink
thanks to giles for the oval tip worked well
and if any member of the brew cabin needs 4 tonnes of lydd beach 20mm oyster shingle I know where there is some going for a song
60 ish metres of paths ended up using 78M2 of pavers a valuable lesson learned by mr lout on this one
20% waste on small paths not 10%
PS note all cuts are done " onboard" got to practise what we preach
Posted by London Stone Paving on 22 Oct. 2011,14:40My brother was always a bit gung ho when it came to ordering materials. He ordered 10 tons too much MOT for a driveway once, us boys on site were not impressed.
Cracking job by the way Tony, real transformation
Posted by Pablo on 22 Oct. 2011,15:53Nicely turned out driveway Tony you're wasted in the Building game. For future reference 1 ton of gravel covers 16m2 of driveway. Thats a mighty amount of wastage for 60m I'd normally order 62m even when laying at 45deg were your lads skipping usable cuts or something.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 22 Oct. 2011,17:49the drawing was to scale but no quantities were specified
i struggled scaling the area of the paths around the oval so maybe its nearer 68m2
fierce amount of off cuts but any big enough we used for halfs,I dont like trying to make off cuts fit in holes,just a waste of time IME
with the gravel it was £750+vat for 15 tonnes delivered or £880 for a 20 tonne load
because it comes from south kent i didnt want to be a tonne short (1 tonne = £100 delivered) and as it turned out 15 would have been tight
nice people ,you dont get many drinks these days
Posted by haggistini on 22 Oct. 2011,19:58Looks tidy it's great when you get appreciated like that. it makes all the cuts and fcuks worth it.
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 22 Oct. 2011,20:21little willow etc in the middle of the oval in a block edged oval would be nice, hehe
gravels a bitch i used the 17m2 rule the other day but ended up going back and forth luckily i found a cracking source for it, one supplier offerton sand and gravel wanted £85/ton +vat needed 5 tons i reckoned, no way i was paying that. found a place inside the local big cemex quarry, bit of a pain as you have to fully ppe up and beacon on the truck and sheet up but worth it for £30 a ton inc vat had every gravel you could imagine and a yard full of jewsons, travis, build base, pagetts, etc etc all local and national builders merchants bulk bags they were also bagging 25kg bags on an industrial scale. proper good find that hehe
Posted by Mikey_C on 23 Oct. 2011,11:39
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 23 Oct. 2011,12:06Sheeting is used for a variety of reasons:
to keep materials dry;
to prevent loss of load during transit as required by Road Traffic Act 1991;
to keep materials hot;
to comply with authorisations issued under the Environmental Act 1990.
see the top sheet
big quarries are funny about it and wheel wash, you have to wear full orange hi viz suit inc trousers and hard hat in your cab, mining vehiclaes have right of way even from the left so there are 200 ton dumpers running around and loading shovels bigger than a 4 bed detach house, its wicked
Posted by DNgroundworks on 23 Oct. 2011,12:33It sure is wicked, i love them places
Posted by dig dug dan on 23 Oct. 2011,21:09i felt for you tony on the gravel. did you have to shovel it on the truck by hand, then shovel it off again? i used to do that years ago pre tipper. 'appy days!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 23 Oct. 2011,22:57even better dan,I had to shovel it into buckets and bucket it on as the gravel was tipped on a slope on a big tarp
then just shovel it off the other end
this is the beach it came from
mainland aggregates supplied it,and the client is very happy with it,although i did mention the problems with round shingle as opposed to angular
time will tell
Posted by joydivision on 25 Oct. 2011,20:22Very nice work indeed there LLL. Quality cutting, great to see.
Posted by haggistini on 26 Oct. 2011,07:47Started this yesterday block paving out , slabs back in to customers own design and existing edges to remain well must dash I've got slabs to lay!
Posted by haggistini on 26 Oct. 2011,17:52Flatout day today only pointing left and hoof everything outta there tomorrow...
A few dust busters are on the cards tonight!
Posted by dig dug dan on 26 Oct. 2011,17:53I do like the use of those heavy weights for string lines. better than tying round bricks any day
Must get myself some of those!
Posted by haggistini on 26 Oct. 2011,18:16Bit over kill for small runs but they do go as tight bango strings
Posted by London Stone Paving on 26 Oct. 2011,18:33Cracking work Hagg's. Nice pattern, shows what can be done with a bit of imagination
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 26 Oct. 2011,19:01nice work haggi, pattern is not my cuppa tea but the customer get what they want
where all those kerbs in situ with no pointing in them?
are you using gftk's"millionaire" on that one?
you must have banged down 30M2 there today
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 26 Oct. 2011,21:26erm hagi i think i spotted one or two + in that patio ;) hahahaha
Posted by haggistini on 27 Oct. 2011,15:37Customer wanted to keep the edging but the pointing had failed so chased it out
Customer designed it
Using gftk 840 brush in type
I gotta get about 30 m2 in a day LLL as i need the practice!
Posted by msh paving on 27 Oct. 2011,17:03looking good haggi...........MSH
Posted by cookiewales on 27 Oct. 2011,19:20
room for improvement when the cats away the mice will play lol
Posted by haggistini on 27 Oct. 2011,19:30Fook off...
Posted by msh paving on 27 Oct. 2011,20:33Todays job,bottom and top RSJ came in at 340kg each, overkill from engineer.....hard work for 2 of us bars and shuvving about
Job is in lewisham SE4 LONDON
last week floor slab for a new micro brewery
started pour 8am,all in by 10.30, power trowel on a 4 pm with pan, last polish at 12 midnight........
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 27 Oct. 2011,21:23is that the polymeric one haggi?
LLL does not like polymerics anymore
looks well executed mind, lovin the flags
MSH looks like the engineer had a field day on that one,have done plenty of goalposts before but never with a groundbeam link as well
I love doing all that sort of awkward steel work,
are you drypacking over the steels?
Posted by Bob_A on 28 Oct. 2011,16:36
Not too far from me.
Do you do a lot of jobs in London?
Posted by msh paving on 28 Oct. 2011,19:47nope, this is a one off new build bomb blew terrace down in world war 2, commerford road, brockly. back nxt week for 4 weeks
Posted by DNgroundworks on 29 Oct. 2011,10:40Ive had a fantastic week, bust a 55mm gas main that ran underneath the length an old wall and then rose up into the old dry stone walling? wtf? so when we pulled the wall over..oops.
The day later after looking at the maps the gas board let us study, we went through another 25mm gas main that was buried 75mm deep in the lawn - couldn't believe it.
The same day whilst excavating foundations we pulled through a tree root about 3/4 of an inch thick, turns out the tree had a preservation order on it.
Never broken anything major before, and all this in the space of a few days.
Lots of lessons learned this week.
PS, i knew the guys on the gas board = freemans repair
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 29 Oct. 2011,14:21no matter how hard you try dan there will always be a day when it happens
its how you rectifty it that matters
done gas and water in the past,so far never an electric but been very close a few times
Posted by DNgroundworks on 29 Oct. 2011,14:39I wouldnt like to do electric, the fella from the gasboard said the worst ones are when the leccy and gas are in the same trench and they both get ruptured, bonfire night come early lol
The 55mm main stunk 100 mtrs away!
Posted by haggistini on 29 Oct. 2011,17:31They say things happen in 3's
My finest hour???
The old mans brew cabin in the stables they old boys are well chuffed
Posted by DNgroundworks on 29 Oct. 2011,18:03Lovely work there haggi ;)
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 29 Oct. 2011,21:04what have you done there hagg?
relaid the old slabs ?
why is that 1 sitting up on bricks?
dont fret mate we have all done get out of jail jobs just like that
especially for the dreaded "friends and family discount"
Posted by haggistini on 30 Oct. 2011,17:10Some £1 slabs I ripped up a few years back , broke 10 out of 30 ,there are about the same strenth as a choc digestive. The 2x2 is for the wood burner
Will this week ever end now I'm finishing writing this gotta load up for Warrington now and pack my bag .........
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 30 Oct. 2011,18:23warrington!
better watch it round there haggi, the gaffer will be coming round for tea every night
what is the last picture of the drive and crossover relating too?
Posted by haggistini on 30 Oct. 2011,19:19Few drop kerbs and rip out tar to levels on a drive I slammed in before may ,a local groundwork will lay the tar this week for me. Don't worry I got the gaffa alarm sorted ( it's a 900cc triumph).
Posted by Dave_L on 30 Oct. 2011,19:52Whoa! Where's all the chapter 8 etc on the crossover??
Posted by DNgroundworks on 30 Oct. 2011,19:54Chapter 8? round here no1 is allowed anywhere near work like that except for the council.
Posted by Injured on 30 Oct. 2011,20:58Where you at Haggi might pop over to see you if you let me know. On my doorstep.
Posted by cookiewales on 31 Oct. 2011,06:50
we will be in grapanhall will pm you address cheers cookie
Posted by Injured on 31 Oct. 2011,08:14Ok Cheers. I take you there at least all this week
Posted by msh paving on 01 Nov. 2011,21:47Yesterday and todays work in london
making full use off mucktruck........
cutting steel beam in
mucktruck earning its money......
ready to get oversite dig out and poured thursday
Posted by digerjones on 01 Nov. 2011,22:00is the van/pick up in for mot. bet it took ages to get work on that . did you save the bricks to reuse. have you got accrows on the inside with strong boys on to hold it up while cutting out for steel
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 01 Nov. 2011,22:28a job after my own heart mark
acrows and genie lifts great bits of kit
strong boys a waste of space IME,I have used them but would rather needle a wall,with strong boys the acrows are too close to easily get the steels in position
hard work cutting those blues mark,if the gap is that tight we sometimes dry pack,you shutter 1 side then pack sharp sand/cement into the void ,used that technique for 2 months on the french embassy and its still standing
Posted by msh paving on 01 Nov. 2011,22:39Them blues are not blues...they are slate fireplace surround 35mm thick,we had it proped on the in side joists with 2 acrows,
started with a acrow and strongboy,but took it out to slide steel in,as there is such a huge bit of steel in font and a solid wall with the joists proped taking load,20 mins and steel was in,
never saved bricks compo was to hard broke the bricks,new house is being built from arundall old chelsea yellow stock by ibstock (planners choice)
the new build is due to terrace being bombed in ww2..........
Posted by cookiewales on 02 Nov. 2011,07:09
cant get any pictures links working
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 04 Nov. 2011,23:53been doing disabled ramps the last 2 weeks
bit of a ballbreaker as they have to be hand dug ,and this one faces on to a dual carriageway so nothing can get close.
the bottom line is an 82 year old lady can probably see her days out at home rather than in a care prison
ramp has to be 1200 wide with minimum 100mm upstands,fall no more than 1:12 and a 1200 square rest area every 5m
a work around to the flush threshold problem,air bricks have been lifted and linear drains installed around perimeter
ready for railings
dug out the next one today and concreted 450 by 600 slabs as upstands
my back is rather warm,dont think i would like to lay council slabs all the time
Posted by Carberry on 23 Nov. 2011,13:5170m2 of sawn sandstone from Londonstone, 90m2 driveway Marshalls drivesett natrale.
First time harling, bit patchy but customer got it for free:
c*ck and balls step just for Pablo:
Posted by London Stone Paving on 23 Nov. 2011,17:45Nice work Stuart. Looks very well laid. Pointing colour works very well.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 23 Nov. 2011,17:58nice work stewart
that paving looks great
only thing that maybe you could add, is a sett or paver detail around the paving,to kind of finish the edge
I dont like to see cuts to a free edge,although I have done it myself many times
what is the pointing? easipoint sandstone?
Posted by London Stone Paving on 23 Nov. 2011,21:20
I knew something looked wrong about the last post, spelt your name wrong Stewart
Posted by ambient on 23 Nov. 2011,21:46nice flagging how much per metre
Posted by Carberry on 24 Nov. 2011,11:59
You can't really see it in that photo but the fence and the shed are in really bad shape. The shed has a massive bulge in one half and it is sunk in the second half so it is like an S in the side. The fence is all over the place too. Went with a softer edge so the crappy shed and fence didn't take away from the patio.
At the back I put up the arch for customer and he is going to put up a couple of trellis. The panel is raised because it is going to hide 2 sheds up the back of the garden, the bottom of the panel is going to be hidden by some planters that customer is building.
I tried to stick to the bigger flags for the cuts at the free edge, laid all the edge pieces with SBR though.
Will post more later, got to load on gas bottles now.
Posted by local patios and driveways on 24 Nov. 2011,19:06Tony, nice work around for the old gal. No ideal solution in that instance, moving the air brick was worth the offort for sure
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 24 Nov. 2011,21:14carberry, i could see you didn't have any straight boundaries,or even right angles,but I hate to see shingle laid around flags or slabs
you have done some very tasty flag and block laying there ,with loads of cuts all done dead straight,
but then a border of shingle,that looks like a "french drain"
look like there is enough room round most of that for a single block paver detail ,100mm wide
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 24 Nov. 2011,21:16btw is harling dashing?
looks fine from here,although you may need copings on those piers
Posted by Carberry on 24 Nov. 2011,22:15Yeah, Scottish term for dashing. The bits that I did first are a wee bit patchy, the bits that I did last look pretty good. You only notice it when you're up close though.
Getting coping and caps, just waiting on them being made. Customer has chosen some local guy to make some concrete ones up, I preferred Steve's suggestion of some nice yorkstone. I like the finish and what he has chosen is nice but it is overkill for the area. I don't think the coping will look right with the railing and that the caps are too big for the piers but it isn't my house.
The narrowest the border goes is about 150mm so there is enough room for a nice border, it may come later on next year. The fence in back garden and front garden are getting replaced, both by customer and he is going to build a double gate out of teak to go between patio and driveway.
At the back of the garden he is talking about some crazy paving next year to go between the sheds that he is going to build.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 24 Nov. 2011,22:42you'll get your pension off that job mate
Posted by Pablo on 11 Dec. 2011,18:35Been a busy last fortnight 2 small driveways 3 days each then a clearout so the cleint can see the whole garden in readiness for a new garden in the spring.
Opinions welcome on whether the curve is a good look or not are very welcome should I not have bothered or could it be tighter etc.
Same house finally after nearly a year and a lot of shouting I got the railings company to fit these to a wall I'd built. The lawn and hedge are ours to.
point of history here that oak is one of the liberty trees of Ireland used by the united Irishmen to nail proclamations and news to in the 1700's. A lot of infamous men passed by here but the fella who paid 10million for the field during the boom didn't know this until his planning application was throw back at him to fits of anger an laughter.
Posted by Pablo on 11 Dec. 2011,18:41Got a wave form the driver so was made up for the day.
Started this on thursday another levelling job with wall and paving more to follow.
This is a job I went to see last week for planting and is a perfect example of why clients shouldn't let builders chose and lay paving.
These are in the WTF were you thinking vein.
Underwhelming is about a nice as I can be about it. It's a 10acre site with ponds etc and the house is huge but completely average .
Posted by seanandruby on 11 Dec. 2011,20:26Nice work pablo. I like to throw a few curves in any chance i get, i don't like to many straight lines, so well done. I agree ''WTF were they thinking''
Posted by Dave_L on 11 Dec. 2011,21:00Been a good cpl of weeks for us; mainly planing off and overlaying work.....in this month of December it is usually a no no but we've been very lucky.
Seeing two 20tonne rips of 10mm 50pen SMA laid and rolled up to a glass-like finish last Tuesday was very satisfying. Some pretty aggressive gear that you couldn't handle with barrows and rakes.
Sorry, no time for any pictures shame as they have all turned out to be lovely jobs.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 12 Dec. 2011,05:12very nice work pablo
like the finish
on drive A the DPC on existing seems very low,alos how did you get your drains around the hockey sticks for the meter?
the curve looks great ,is it much more time doing it that way?
that tobermore gear is really vibrant colours
Posted by local patios and driveways on 12 Dec. 2011,07:25Liking that tobermore, they are well priced too. Cant help but feel the curve should have been tighter but always good to do something a little diffrent. 3 days to dig out lay and cut in. Thats good going, me and my lad would need 5 days for that, im not working him hard enough
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 12 Dec. 2011,14:37I always feel a drive is 4-5 days work
there used to be a guy on here that claimed he could do a 50m drive in a day
I have done one in 2 days before but everything went toot sweet
normally there is always some kind of hold up
if the curve was tighter the joints would have opened more and it would have looked 3 bob rather than curved
Posted by local patios and driveways on 12 Dec. 2011,20:01Very true, ive never played with curves and paving. I did a 20m driveway in a single day, with 3 of us but to be fair started at 6 finished at 11, wouldnt want to do it again.
Posted by Pablo on 12 Dec. 2011,21:27The first drive is 47m2 and it wasn't a push laying and cutting in a day for 3 men. It's laid high because all the drains and services etc would need moved and they didn't have the budget for it also tthe old drive was the same hieght and hasn't caused any trouble inside the house so client was happy to keep the levels. Gave me a headache though because you can normally estimate a rough fall by looking at the brickwork but the fall on the dpc course was 120mm front to back the brickies spirit level must've been a bit shot for that to happen. On a drive that size it takes us a day to dig out and stone up then the next day is kerbs drainage final levels and get the sand in ready for levelling out. The next day the whole thing gets screeded at the same time and we set about laying it usually by about 10 if it's and 8 am start. One fella lays the other labourer brings and places the setts and block and I assist with both and do the cuts I think it took about 4 hrs to lay and cut then the rest of the day was cleaning and slurry sanding etc. On larger jobs a squad of 4 could easily lay 180m2of the main body of paving without cuts my records over 200m2. Havingthe right tools and making sure the staff work to a routine is what makes the difference.
As for patterns I'm tired of the same old 90 or 45 deg stuff and have been looking into alternatives like waves and curves etc I've been thinking of starting a thread on the very subject and would be interested in hearing from anyone who's done anything like that. I'm also wanting to try some unusual trims if anyones got any ideas.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 12 Dec. 2011,22:44I guessed as much pablo
thing is we live in the real world ,and in the real world people dont want to pay 2 grand to get services moved
I would have asked them to sign a waiver though,as i have had a slightly different issue come back on a surveyors report when the guy went to sell the house and he basically blamed me , for cutting a roof truss ,when he had insisted on a 900mm square loft hatch
it was a hard lesson to learn and I wont get caught again
after watching recent Uk weather reports I am amazed you have got anything done in the last month in NI
on the subject of detail i like the detailing on the first drive but think 3 colours is enough (IMHO)
the drive with the curve looks stunning but personally I would have liked to have the whole drive ramped and a linear drain against the house
all new thresholds need to be flush and the step neat as it is is no good for wheelchair or elderly access
(but maybe thats just me with ramps on the brain;-)
all in all lovely looking drives the pair of them
what happened to the grass on drive A? it seems to have turned into gravel?
Posted by London Stone Paving on 13 Dec. 2011,19:23
What was his name?
Posted by rab1 on 13 Dec. 2011,20:38Pablo, you have 2no tax disc holders in your vehicle, is one for the MOT stamp. Heard about this but still dont believe it.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 13 Dec. 2011,21:07
I know his name and sadly I have a feeling that he is no longer trading
he was doing any drive in standard block for £50 per metre ,which in my opinion is unsustainable
I dont like to get involved in all that pub talk about "1000 bricks laid a day" or "16 packs of lockblocks"
just look at the bloke's family?
how are they treated?
Posted by Pablo on 13 Dec. 2011,23:08
yup we have government run test centres over here to counter corruption but the down side is they're a bunch of f*cking Nazis. I've failed for having one of two bulbs out on my number plate and my sister in law failed because her washer fluid ran out on the way to the centre. Civil servants just don't get it sometimes.
Posted by London Stone Paving on 17 Dec. 2011,09:53
its not that difficult Paul when your playing with somebody elses money
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 25 Dec. 2011,11:09busy last week ,have done 6 ramps recently for the council but will get pics when the railings go up
went to see this chimney last friday
so under engineers advice knocked half of it down saved the bricks and rebuilt it in lime mortar
12 metres up
ground all the joints out and grouted helical bars in
then repointed with easipoint historical lime mortar (sigh if only all mortar was a nice to use)
the jenny wheel was a life saver getting stuff up but it is surprising how hard it is to pull a bucket of muck up 12 M
went back yesterday and finished the pot s but no camera
Posted by Pablo on 26 Dec. 2011,20:04tidy chimney there tony that mortar looks great. What can cause a chimney to split like that out of interest.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 26 Dec. 2011,21:33IMO water ingress and heat from chimney fires
plus the chimney had a design detail which was flawed as it wasnt tied in
its done ok as it was built in 1901, but also it had no pots on for some weird reason
but water is the big baddie plus someone had repointed it with strong cement mortar which stops water evaporating
hopefully it will last another 110 years
Posted by dig dug dan on 27 Dec. 2011,10:53nice job tony. out of interest, what does scaffolding cost for a job like that? looks like you could adjust the height yourself at the top
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 27 Dec. 2011,11:23£1100 +vat
the cracks were originally spotted by flue men who were using a 20M genie boom.dunno who much they cost to hire
Posted by mike builder/landscaper on 27 Dec. 2011,17:07big north/south defide there tony. i rebuilt a chimney last week and the scaffold was only 150 quid.
Posted by dig dug dan on 27 Dec. 2011,18:43
how many days were you there tony?
I hired a genie Boom (great bits of kit) for a weeks job at a school, £330 for the week + transport(£30 each way) plus vat
no need to lug anything up with a genie wheel, plus you have a power supply built into the cage!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 27 Dec. 2011,22:41I didnt want to do a full shot of the house as its a very distinctive 2 million quid gaff, and it would give it away straight off
I have had chimneys scaffolded for £400 on a pair of semis type of house
but this house is 3 storey plus rooms in the loft and they had to build a tower then use trusses to cantilever it
the client had another quote of £2k +£100 a week rent
our scaff has never charged us rent yet
we couldnt have done the work we did from a boom
taking 200 bricks off and cleaning them is not something i would try from a cherry picker
plus all the ancillary stuff
client is over the moon,we are paid ,scaffolder is paid
nice job just before xmas
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 27 Dec. 2011,22:425 days with 2 men and a lad dan
how long was the boom you hired?
i could see them being very handy on certain jobs
Posted by dig dug dan on 27 Dec. 2011,22:55
it was a 15.7m one. we were cutting conifers and trimming back the sides on a tennis court at a school. really great bit of kit, and hardly used any diesel.
I can see with your job, scaff was better as you could get all round the chimney easily
Posted by rab1 on 27 Dec. 2011,23:31Dan, thats a baby boom (cherry picker), hire the big ones and sh1t yourself.
Posted by dodger41 on 29 Dec. 2011,23:13
Nice work on the chimneys mate !, did you use lime mortar to re-build them, then rake-out and re-point later ??, whats the lime mortar like to use, compared to normal muck ??, cheers !.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 30 Dec. 2011,02:32the bit that was rebuilt we used 4 sand:1 cement : 1lime
we then raked it all out and repointed with easipoints historic lime mortar which contains no cement at all
the idea being that any damp can evaporate rather than be trapped in
it is really nice to work with
took 2 days to go off and just lovely to use
btw welcome to the brewcabin dodger
Posted by Brucieboy on 30 Dec. 2011,12:15Dogder - apologies if you already know this, but following on from LLL's advice, don't just use hydrated lime (available at most builders merchants) and sand - it will never go off. It must be mixed with a cementitious material, most commonly cement. Easipoint Historic mortar uses ggbs (ground granulated blastfurnace slag) in combination with hydrated lime (as well as pigments to achieve various colours). ggbs is a cement replacement material (white in colour) used at most ready mixed concrete plants throughout the UK to replace a proportion of the ordinary Portland cement (CEMI). The plants that don't stock ggbs, use pfa (pulverised fuel ash, aka fly ash).
If your going to use lime mortar (it's been around for about 10,000 years), use hydrated lime with cement or alternatively use the proprietary materials such Easipoint Historic. A lime that can be used on its own is with sand is natural hydraulic lime. This is available at some builders merchants under the name NHL 2.0, 3.5, 5.0 etc (the number stands for it's compressive strength). The real traditional lime mortar is made with lime putty (supplied in tubs) and sharp sand. It has to be "knocked up" by hand into a soft dough-like consistency - usually in the volume proportions 3 sharp sand (sometimes 2) to 1 of lime putty.
Lime mortar with no cement is excellent to use for the right job (normally restoration) and in the right conditions - as LLL says it can take some time to go off. It relies on carbon dioxide from the atmosphere to convert the lime back to it's original calcium carbonate form.
Lime mortar was used to build most houses etc right up until late Victorian times when Portand cement first became an economic alternative. Cement:sand mortar or cement:lime(hydrated):sand mortar is now the norm because it goes off much quicker - as demanded by our fast track construction requirements.
If in doubt, check it out first before use.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 30 Dec. 2011,13:08couldnt have put it better myself brucie
i have done some heritage work with the hydraulic lime mortar and you have to cover the work with damp hessian for weeks on end in the summer,plus the heritage types love using a really coarse sand. almost like grit sand
i like doing a bit of weatherstruck and even birds beak when the notion takes me ,but have you ever tried tuck pointing?
Posted by Brucieboy on 30 Dec. 2011,13:32Never done tuck pointing myself - only seen one guy restoring a section of brickwork on an old building. Took him an age - from a distance all the joints looked dead straight and square and about 4mm wide. It looked as if they'd been painted on - superb finish.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 30 Dec. 2011,20:30sad day today,we finished a ramp just before xmas for an old lady and i went to dig the holes for the railings
I was knocking on the door to get power and a neighbour came across to tell me that sadly the lady had passed away over xmas
I asked had mrs X managed to use her new front door and ramp?
to which the neighbour replied " just the once ,on the stretcher"
even though we only met her for a week or so its sad that she waited so long for something then never got the use of it
Posted by Bob_A on 31 Dec. 2011,15:36Yes that is sad.
It always seems that more people die or get ill around Christmas.
I know it's not probably the case but it just seems that way.
Posted by dodger41 on 02 Jan. 2012,10:10Cheers for the replies LLL & Bruicyboy, i have (potentially) to rebuild some chimneys on an old hotel in Chesham in the new year, & in the Spec. that ive seen it mentions washed sharp sand and lime mix, something that i have never used !!, if the job happens i will let you know how it goes (pick your brains), cheers !
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 02 Jan. 2012,12:25pratts yard sand from Leighton buzzard is a good example of washed sharp sand
enjoy epoxy resining broken bricks together !!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 06 Jan. 2012,17:33new year and a new job
managed to shake off the xmas blues with some hard manual graft this week
topcon laser at work
concrete barrowed in all 5 .5 cube of it
and lastly its always important to have a site toilet,as demonstrated by my accomplice darren
Posted by dig dug dan on 06 Jan. 2012,17:40nice and tidy as ever tony!
in picture 6, whats the gap in the footing with the rebar sticking up for?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 06 Jan. 2012,18:48thats the existing foul run which we need to lintel over with R15s
got quite a bit of drainage work to do next week,new IC outside the building @900 invert means lots more hand digging
all good fun
Posted by mike builder/landscaper on 06 Jan. 2012,19:06that hand digging and barrowing will be doing the diet good lll.
Posted by local patios and driveways on 06 Jan. 2012,20:01You crazy dude! Theresl penty of room for a 1.5t machine let alone 3/4t.... Sod that by hand. dig and pour in one day
Posted by msh paving on 06 Jan. 2012,20:08
Thinking the same as me.................
Posted by dig dug dan on 06 Jan. 2012,20:37i disagree on the "dig and pour" in the same day tbh
i would dig, and yes would use a machine, on day one, but how do you know what time to book the concrete, or how much to order until you have finished? if you hit a pipe and have to repair it that could set you back an hour, and a lorry load of concrete going off is expensive!
Posted by local patios and driveways on 06 Jan. 2012,20:50We use mixamate. Im probably being fecesious. But on a run of footings under 18m without any services involved we would expect to start at 7 pour at 3. Job im digging this week has 3 sections of pipework crossing the new footing and the adjacent building was never underpinned as it was suppossed to be so one side of my trench has to be be poured in section with rebar! One day job... 3 days.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 06 Jan. 2012,23:57yes you could have pulled the long trench,but access is only 700 wide and 1900 high
also how would you pull the trench by the toilet ?
we had 3 foul runs that we had to hand dig around and 3 water mains?
believe me i am no masochist,but if you saw it with your own eyes you would understand
plus the garden was unbelievably soppy wet,small digger would have churned that to mush
keep 'em coming hehe
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 20 Jan. 2012,18:29cracked on a bit since last post
footing built and oversite prepped
existing run exposed
new ic installed
3m soakaway dug
crates,lots of £££
crate and terram in
ready for backfill
we did backfill it but i was soaking wet etc so didnt bother getting the camera out
after 11 days of hand digging since xmas I have lost 7 lbs
its easier putting it on than losing it
Posted by London Stone Paving on 20 Jan. 2012,19:17Quality work Tony. Thats how a site should look
Posted by Pablo on 28 Jan. 2012,00:09Been a busy couple of weeks knocked an anchor wall up followed by a tegula driveway with fencing steps lawn and planting. Apologies for the photo quality I've got a terrible phone just now until my new contract kicks in.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 28 Jan. 2012,00:56very tidy work pablo,
borderline on busy on the paving,that tobermore stuff is really colourful
your work sells itself
Posted by haggistini on 28 Jan. 2012,11:37
Nice clean site,no damage ,good sweat on and good edges on the trench I like to use a digger when I can but it's good for soul to have a day or two on the old banjo.
Posted by DNgroundworks on 28 Jan. 2012,11:51Pablo, great work and bring on the new phone!
Posted by haggistini on 28 Jan. 2012,12:03
Looks great as always Pablo what's the walling mortar ?
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 28 Jan. 2012,12:24
im quoting on a dda compliant ramp for a doctors surgery, 16m in length 2+/- fall got the spec etc for rest and 1:20 but i was going to do brushed concrete, do you feel it easier to do textured slabs or is that your spec? this will be heavily trafficed and salted a lot in winter, grim up north.
was going to spec ronagrip as an option as well, who do you use for your railings, found a few online for dda compliant railings but wondered if you had a recommendation.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 28 Jan. 2012,12:32PM sent giles
dont forget minimum fall is 1:12 but there must be a 1200 by 1200 flat rest spot at least every 5 metres
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 28 Jan. 2012,13:42it'll all be spec'd by architect etc but yeah the dda stuff i saw said recommended 1:20
Posted by Pablo on 28 Jan. 2012,19:49
cheers haggi the adhesive is just cement and sbr with a taste of water to get the consistency close to tiling adhesive. It's just to hold the coping in place the rest of the wall is interlocking and dry laid. The bond you get with that stuff is extremely strong and the block is likely to break before it lets go and it retains a certain amount of flex.
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 06 Feb. 2012,01:30
Just started digging a ground beam in Chelmsford this week I'll add some more pics as it progreses
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 06 Feb. 2012,01:31
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 06 Feb. 2012,01:36Oh and a driveway and wal we finished last week
Posted by local patios and driveways on 06 Feb. 2012,09:21Pp, isnt there a planning issue with having a driveway under 4.5m deep?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 06 Feb. 2012,09:26welcome back mr.pink!
lovely stuff as usual
if you dont mind me asking how deep are the piles and where they expensive?
had them specced a few times,but for various reasons never got around to doing them on domestic work
Posted by DNgroundworks on 06 Feb. 2012,12:21I do like your brickwork Mr Pink, mine is only good for the odd man hole, whats the planning issue?
Posted by dig dug dan on 06 Feb. 2012,12:48*cough* drainage *cough, cough*
Posted by Carberry on 06 Feb. 2012,12:58Driveway and wall look nice but seem way over the top for that area and doesn't look right for that house.
Posted by DNgroundworks on 06 Feb. 2012,14:30
Posted by Pablo on 06 Feb. 2012,15:10In all honesty even if you bothered(and why would you given the lack of enforcement) where could you put the soakaway it's to close to the house to be digging holes for water. Lets stop being a bunch of pedants and agree to ignore the elephant in the room. I like the wall and it's nice to see properly mitred block trim Mr Pink to many folk fall on their face with lazy cutting when doing the trim.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 06 Feb. 2012,16:08they are enforcing it in luton pablo
but i agree a soakaway would cause more harm than good that close to a house
I can appreciate the craft in the wall but it is a trap i have fell into in the past of being overcomplicated
plus they look like LBC regencys ,not the greatest brick for freestanding walls
however overall it looks a nice tidy well installed drive
and that what people want for their dollar
Posted by dig dug dan on 06 Feb. 2012,19:02they are enforcing it round here too. although all you have to do is put a channel in. it does not have to connect to anything
Posted by msh paving on 06 Feb. 2012,19:31not round my area MSH
Posted by local patios and driveways on 06 Feb. 2012,21:00Pablo. When i posted pics of my work and it was slagged off hard ranging from a tea cup in the picture to a few large darts.. I was told this is paving "expert" and thats what we strive towards. So fair enough.. Now i get the fun of picking fault too.
Posted by haggistini on 06 Feb. 2012,21:39I'm always on the recieving end of constructive criticism and i show worts and all photos. It makes you better, safer and more professional.
Posted by haggistini on 06 Feb. 2012,21:40Nice work BTW mr Pink cracking brickwork!
Posted by mickg on 06 Feb. 2012,21:59nice work mr pink and pablo excellent work indeed now you have mastered the art of posting your photos
LPAD . . . yeah but yours was crap all over the pavement too
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 06 Feb. 2012,22:21we may be in the gutter,but we are looking at the stars
summat like that?
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 06 Feb. 2012,22:22Always open to any kind of criticism from anyone
Who knows what they are talking about.
The main reason there were no channel drains or a soak away
Was purely because the existing driveway was all concrete
And I was under the impression you didn't need to compensate
For rainwater if you are basically just renewing what was always
Thanks for the comments though.
Posted by dig dug dan on 06 Feb. 2012,22:28
no. one of my neighbours replaced his small drive from tarmac to blocks. some bloke from the pub did it.
The council made him put a drain in.
Its the owner of the drive they go after, not the contractor in any case
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 06 Feb. 2012,22:33Well I hold my hands up And stand corrected.
You learn something new every day
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 06 Feb. 2012,22:34any drive installation has to have suds
where it would go i have no idea
Posted by mickg on 06 Feb. 2012,22:39not trying to tell you how to suck eggs but its been in force since 1st October 2008
the permitted development rights that allow householders to pave their front gardens for hard standings without planning permission has changed.
Planning permission is now required to lay traditional impermeable driveways that allow uncontrolled runoff of rainwater from the front gardens onto the road because this can contribute to flooding and pollution of watercourses
If a new driveway or parking area is constructed using permeable surfaces such as permeable block paving, porous asphalt or gravel or if the water is able to soak into the ground via soil borders or a soak away you will not require planning permission
These new planning rules also apply to where existing hard standing are being replaced and apply to hard surfaces exceeding 5 square metres in area
I think there is only me installing drainage in my area as every new driveway I see being installed does not have any and I am yet to hear of any enforcement notices in my area as there are not enough local authority staff to police the legislation
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 06 Feb. 2012,22:46I don't want to give people the impression I'm running a mickey mouse company.
But in all honesty out of the last say ten driveways we've installed
This is the only one without SUDS I'll take all of your info on board
And put them in in future. Scouts honour
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 06 Feb. 2012,23:01i saw a new injun stone driveway laid on mot in hazel grove nr manchester, 2 weekslater they were back ripping up half of it and putting soil and beds in!! see so many without any drainage but they are starting to enforce it rd here now,
p.s nice to have you back mickg
Posted by mickg on 06 Feb. 2012,23:07cheers Giles
who is enforcing it, the planning office ?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 06 Feb. 2012,23:12AFAIK its environment and planning around here,they have plenty to do mind
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 06 Feb. 2012,23:31
Where would the SUDS go here ?
And before y'all mention it inboard cutting would have looked s*!*.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 07 Feb. 2012,00:40at the bottom
that looks very nice mr.pink
very very artistic
shame about that 1 class A red being a different hue of red to the others?
it does my head in,when i go to buy class A solids they are called class b solids now and they are a different colour to all the ones with 3 holes in
arghhhhhhhh my OCD
the gaffer likes those type of steps
and it does look toot sweet
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 07 Feb. 2012,01:04I kicked up a big stink about them three bricks I have OCD with that kind of thing too,but my dad does most of the picking up of materials
And he doesn't get involved with brickwork old school ground worker
He absolutely hates the trouble we have with clients and bricks matching this and that.
Let just say it wasn't worth another row on a Monday morning lol
convinced customer it was a bit of a feature
Client was still well happy
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 07 Feb. 2012,01:17Here's what it looked like before
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 07 Feb. 2012,01:20Voila !
Posted by local patios and driveways on 07 Feb. 2012,07:56
Yes yes but like i explained at the time it was during the work... You were a nob about it then too. Nowt changes
Posted by mickg on 07 Feb. 2012,08:37YAWN . . just for the record I am not really bothered you think I am a knob as we never ever leave a job until everything has been made tidy each evening including sweeping up any debris . . . unlike yourself.
I got a large job off the back of that thread as the customer who read the comments knew I would be very clean and tidy. . . unlike "YOU"
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 07 Feb. 2012,08:43impressed with those steps mr. pink
do you reckon there is enough in it do paving full time?
we are more builders than pavers,but there never seems to be enough paving work to do it full time around here
so the building work is the bread and butter
dan and mick
,lets put it to bed now
Posted by local patios and driveways on 07 Feb. 2012,08:52
Ive done 3 other driveways along the same road after that one... All thanks to quality work and "fair" prices.. I dont charge extra because my supplier gave me a plastic trophy... Get a bali award then i will be convinced...
Posted by Carberry on 07 Feb. 2012,10:08Mick and Lpad:
Posted by haggistini on 07 Feb. 2012,10:10What......no comment?
Posted by dig dug dan on 07 Feb. 2012,10:47good old judge judy there!
pink, there is a small tree in your steps at the bottom. you can argue that that is where the water drains to. the local authority would be happy with that!
Posted by DNgroundworks on 07 Feb. 2012,11:00
Like ive said before, i always price for it and explain to the customer etc etc, but most of the time they decide to chance it.
Posted by mickg on 07 Feb. 2012,11:13Ha ha nice one carberry
Posted by haggistini on 07 Feb. 2012,11:18Theses iPhones are good but I can't get fcuk all done when the thread is this hot!
Posted by msh paving on 07 Feb. 2012,11:23Mickg has made a impression since his return from exile ,got the exchange of comments moving fast,and some light abuse..... MSH
Posted by DNgroundworks on 07 Feb. 2012,11:49Its all good fun, im gonna step into the ring and post some pictures....bare with me a while...
Posted by DNgroundworks on 07 Feb. 2012,12:06First up a driveway and landscaping job we did in August last year, the customer had us replace all drainage up to boundaries, manholes, underpin the garage? Good job and fantastic customer.
My younger brother leveling the Type 1 - Little belle wacker for you there Mick G! F/R Plate just out of shot
Is it ok that the reg plates are still in view?
Cant beleive he had us replace everything apart from the knackered old wall at the front, behind the 150mm post?
We ended up digging of all the old grass and soil and re-turfed the lot
Posted by DNgroundworks on 07 Feb. 2012,12:21Sent home today -5 this morning, so ill blast some pictures whilst im in the mood.
Next up a big job 2mil plus for a local very wealthy guy.
Pond/Lake nearly 18ft deep at one end, drove on this in the navara last winter!
Teak boarding, he wanted a quay side effect?
Stone gabions, i liked doing these, i prefer to stack the stone in, but he had us just tip the rock in? I suppose that most of the time they are under water.
KX080-3 one for Giles, great machine, client bought it one afternoon when he had nothing to do i think, you can just see the mini electricity 3-phase substation we have build, its being cladded with cedar wood, way over spec compared to what the utilities wanted, but beats a flat roof, red brick jobbie?
New road, kerbs and gullies down to the guys gaff, if you look through the gap in the hedge at 11 o'clock you can just see the field has been stripped of topsoil, this was for all the services and drainage we put in down the field, and like an idiot i didnt take any pictures!
Ill try and get some pictures of the gateway we have been working on, on the same job, its taken the dry stone waller 4 months to build it, hes had a local quarry cut stone to 100mm thick in big slabs and we have cut them down to size to make flags....al for a bin store.
Posted by mickg on 07 Feb. 2012,12:30Nice work dan
Posted by DNgroundworks on 07 Feb. 2012,12:33Some pictures of part finished jobs, that annoyingly i never go back and take proper photos oh and a bust gas main! nice!
Some sett edging in progress, the rest was eventually tarmac'd.
Curves and circle, posted pictures of the finished job, but found this on my phone
Small path job in Blackburn....never working in that area again....
Just finished easi pointing
Sleeper retainer, easy to build and look ok i reckon
Posted by DNgroundworks on 07 Feb. 2012,12:34And the service pipe that looks like its going to cost me 700 quid...bad times
The other one we broke was around 75mm in diameter, man it stunk
Posted by dig dug dan on 07 Feb. 2012,12:41dan, lovely work there. Love that kubota. I bet that was a joy to use!
have you had the gas repaired? what did it cost. how quick did they come out?
they have to go in the house to "flush" it through don't they??
on that driveway, where you went up the side up against the concrete posts, did you have to chip away at the concrete much?
I never fill my post holes to top. makes it easier later on in life!
Posted by DNgroundworks on 07 Feb. 2012,12:45TBH alot of my work is stuff like this, basic, budget stuff that doesnt look well in a portfolio, pays the bills though!
This one is 'the' job that caused me to seek out advice on here back in 2008/2009? Needles to say, ive never looked back.
Thats all folks...for now at least
Posted by DNgroundworks on 07 Feb. 2012,12:50
Yea they repaired both the day they were broke (cough both on the same day cough cough)
The big one - as for reasons known only to the muppet that decided upon it, was inside the foundation of a drystone wall, so when i pushed it over with machine...it broke, the guy that came out said hell just put it down to a leaking coupling - so got that free. It also helped that i knew his boss!
The small one even though it was too shallow, should of been free also, im putting a fair bit of pressure on them, so im hoping they will fold. They want £700.00 for the small pipe.
Ye we chipped away a as much as we dared, tbh i could of pushed them posts over before we started they were knackered at the bottom, the kerb edge was put there to hide the join of concrete panels and next doors naff driveway which was higher.
The gas lads were out within 20 minutes
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 07 Feb. 2012,17:16very nice work dan ,nice tidy jobs
on the drive how did you end up with the cut at the front?
did you start at the house?
if you get them pictures on the website you will get more work out of it
Posted by DNgroundworks on 07 Feb. 2012,17:28Ye we started at the house Tony, at the Aco channel, then paved back up hill towards the pavement.
My brother has some pictures somewhere of the drainage under that drive, there are pipes everywhere, all of next doors come into their IC's, we encased the lot in concrete as they where so shallow.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 07 Feb. 2012,17:33that is the correct way of doing it as per the gaffer's book,but i always em to struggle to start at the house if that makes sense
Posted by DNgroundworks on 07 Feb. 2012,17:42Ideally id want the cuts against the house, but i suppose it doesnt really matter, next job im gonna do 45 degree i think.
Posted by dig dug dan on 07 Feb. 2012,18:15dan, when i did a simlar drive, i turned the last blocks round 90 degrees and cut them in. was that incorrect??
Posted by DNgroundworks on 07 Feb. 2012,18:35i dont think so, i dunno! thats probs only my tenth ever block paving job
Posted by London Stone Paving on 07 Feb. 2012,19:41
dont knock it. i always found the simpler jobs to be much more profitable than the hi spec jobs. your in and out with a lot less chance of things going wrong
Posted by haggistini on 07 Feb. 2012,20:28Tidy work dan any pics of the setts finnished?
Posted by DNgroundworks on 07 Feb. 2012,20:55No mate, we never finished the job, the client was a pain, i was doin the job through another groundworks firm because his men werent good enough, for a PITA architect, the job went pear shaped he found it funny to threaten non payment, and i walked the same day i took that pic
TBH whoever finished it made a bodge, the bit that is excavated was all filled in with setts, id got set up to lay them with a camber before i left, some one made a right balls of it and didnt give it any fall in its length and it now holds around 3" of water either side lol
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 07 Feb. 2012,21:26those setts dont look the finest
look like 30 mm difference in width in some of them!!
Posted by DNgroundworks on 07 Feb. 2012,21:35LOL i know LLL!...was waiting for you to mention them ;) it took him weeks to decide, and he decided on them bloody things, he had couriers bringing samples from all over the place - the mind boggles! They ranged from around 2.5 inches to 7 inches!
He wanted the two courses stepped, and when i complained about the quality of the material he had supplied he told me to mix the varying sizes up? Probably why i struggled.
the whole job turned out a shambles in the end, im glad i was only there for a few days!
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 08 Feb. 2012,00:14Ah the stresses of this trade that we have to endure.
One thing that really gets up my nose with this game is running
Here there and everywhere for samples for some tight numptee to find gold Paving for £5 a metre.
Posted by mickg on 08 Feb. 2012,01:15Argent Block Paving
Argent Patio Paving
Driveline Brindle Driveway
Posted by mickg on 08 Feb. 2012,01:21Plaspave Carrara Stone Driveways
Posted by mickg on 08 Feb. 2012,01:25More Driveways showing the standard of our work
Posted by mickg on 08 Feb. 2012,01:34Marshalls Eclipse Granite Patio
Marshalls Eclipse Granite Patio
Marshalls Fairstone Patio and Raised Planter
Marshalls Fairstone Golden Sand Multi Patio
Marshalls Fairstone Golden Sand Multi Patio
Marshalls Fairstone Golden Sand Multi Patio
Marshalls Fairstone Golden Sand Multi Patio
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 08 Feb. 2012,01:59Wow ! what an impressive portfolio
Hats of to you mate.
Posted by mickg on 08 Feb. 2012,02:14Marshalls Eclipse Granite Patio
Marshalls Eclipse Granite Patio
Marshalls Eclipse Granite Patio
Marshalls Eclipse Granite Patio
Marshalls Eclipse Granite Patio
Marshalls Eclipse Granite Patio
Marshalls Eclipse Granite Patio
Marshalls Eclipse Granite Path
Posted by mickg on 08 Feb. 2012,02:15Thank you pink paving
Posted by mickg on 08 Feb. 2012,02:20A variety of Marshalls Tegula Driveways individually designed
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 08 Feb. 2012,02:33pretty much mint that lot mick
i particularly like this
what are these ones?
Posted by mickg on 08 Feb. 2012,02:38Thank you luton
Marshalls Tegula Large laid in a herringbone pattern, it give the effect of an offset herringbone and you don't get the long lines like you do with the traditional herringbone pattern
Posted by haggistini on 08 Feb. 2012,06:11I like the circular planters and the multiple boarders especially the small plaspave blocks, the granite looks nice albeit a bit angular (modern). A recent customer wanted the fair stone polished slabs and the copings but couldn't afford the £60 a M2 they wanted for it in TP..... Very neat work BTW mick your customers must be very happy!
Posted by haggistini on 08 Feb. 2012,06:18Those pics should be in the marshals catalogue mick are you sealing the drives if so with what!
Posted by haggistini on 08 Feb. 2012,06:55
Did you course them out For him dan ?
Posted by local patios and driveways on 08 Feb. 2012,07:07Credit where credit is due, plastic trophy or not, you do some shithot work.
Posted by Dave_L on 08 Feb. 2012,07:29Thats some wonderful work. I like Marshalls Tegula, it's nice paving.
Posted by London Stone Paving on 08 Feb. 2012,08:26Thats one hell of a portfolio, best I've seen
Posted by mickg on 08 Feb. 2012,08:28thank you haggistini
the Marshalls fairstone sawn paving is stunning when laid and superb to work with, expensive yeah but worth it in my opinion
no i never seal any driveway paving, I have quite a few photos on the Marshalls web site which is a great compliment
yeah customers always very happy
thank you LAPD
I have been told if I try harder i will get a metal trophy next year
thank you Dave
thank you london stone
Posted by Carberry on 08 Feb. 2012,10:51Very nice work, great job with the trianglular cuts. Only criticism I have are the darts and slips.
I have only worked with the fairstone paving a couple of times and I wasn't that impressed with it, had more than a few slabs with a bend in them.
Posted by DNgroundworks on 08 Feb. 2012,12:18Lovely stuff Mick.
Do you take the the photos or get a pro in?
Posted by dig dug dan on 08 Feb. 2012,18:08whats really interesting for me seeing micks pictures (spot on work btw), is in several he has laid the charcoal kerbs, and pointed them inbetween where he has opend up the gap to get the radius.
That is how its supposed to be done.
there is a company round here, everyone says hes great, but the last job on my estate he did, he left such large gaps between the kerb units you could get your hand in the joint!
i would not be happy if i was the customer!!
Posted by mike builder/landscaper on 08 Feb. 2012,19:57well done mick. that shows us all the standards we have to aim for.
Posted by mickg on 08 Feb. 2012,20:37thank you carberry
I understand what your saying with the darts and slips but on a domestic driveway its not always aesthetically pleasing to the eye with inbound cutting and I ask the customer which they would like to see and they all say darts and slips so that's why we do it
I take my own photos Dan, I used to use a cannon EOS 450D but now I use a Sony HD video camera and from the video I take the still shots
thank you Dan
thank you mike
come on everyone lets see photos of your work too
Posted by digerjones on 08 Feb. 2012,21:29well smart mick. i dont think i will be posting any pics of work ha ha
Posted by Pablo on 08 Feb. 2012,21:34Your workmanship is second to none Mick I'm going to nick a few of your edging detail ideas if you don't mind. I'd love to have the choice of paving you guys get all I can get my hands on is Tobermore and Acheson & Glover but their service is so poor I've stopped using them so Tobermore it is. Marshalls did open up distribution over here but prices were to high for the local market and you had to wait until a 40footer was full of orders before it was despatched so you could wait weeks for delivery.
Posted by mickg on 08 Feb. 2012,21:46thank you dylan
thank you pablo, so is your workmanship too now you have mastered how to post photos and we can see it
tobermore have a good range of small units to do a wide variety of edge details if you mix and match the colours
Posted by mickg on 08 Feb. 2012,21:52Tegula Traditional Patio
Tegula Traditional Path
Tegula Hazelnut Driveway
Tegula Hazelnut Driveway
Marshalls Heritage Patio
Indian Stone Patio
Posted by Pablo on 08 Feb. 2012,22:09The Argent trim on that hazelnut driveway is a great contrast I'm snaffling that for sure on my next drive if it'll work. I take it the heritage is the same house.
Posted by mickg on 08 Feb. 2012,22:22yeah its all the same house, front drive and both the side paths are tegula hazelnut with the argent light border and the rear patio is heritage paving with the tegula hazelnut border, the curved wall and steps are all new too
Posted by DNgroundworks on 08 Feb. 2012,22:27Any particular reason why you take a video then stills Mick?
Me to Pablo, im going to 'borrow' a few ideas, dont worry Mick i wont encroach on your area, not that i can compete anyway, the edge and step detail im sure i can work into a few projects.
How do you go on with ordering small amounts of one colour block for the edge detail from marshalls? Is it not a fortune?
Posted by mickg on 08 Feb. 2012,22:37yeah as I now make videos of my jobs, the video is better quality because its HD and the photos are much better too
don't forget to forward the royalty cheque
we either order full packs and use the blocks up on a couple of jobs or get the exact amount required from a Marshalls stockist, same cost for both
Posted by mickg on 08 Feb. 2012,22:41Circular Steps
the customer laid the turf on top of turf, that was nothing to do with me I am pleased to say
Posted by Pablo on 08 Feb. 2012,22:46
Just been going over the last few days in this thread to see what I've missed. Those steps are brilliantly done Mr Pink especially given how little space you had to work with I hate doing stuff like that it just pickles my head. I have to say though and I'm sure it's nothing to do with you but WTF is that conifer still doing there and who the hell did the pruning it's looks like sh#g all and does nothing for the aesthetics. A potted plant would've ben much neater and you'll be back in a couple of years to sort it once the paving's started to lift.
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 08 Feb. 2012,22:47ok catch up, erm mickg cheshire east aka maccessfield are and stockport, but i always but in a aco and coonect or soakaway,
dan yep thats a nice 'bota i want one
mickg again we've seen some of those photos before havent we?
as for my recent work is been more with the camera and couldnt post it here hehe, backs been out this week picked my boy up and tweaked my back standing is a real struggle
Posted by mickg on 08 Feb. 2012,22:52apologies if you have Giles, not been on for over 12 months
Posted by Carberry on 08 Feb. 2012,22:53
Figured it was something like that, given the quality of your work. I advise customers but ultimately they're paying so they get what they want. I have slabbed over whole gardens with grey 2x2s before, was shaking my head the whole time
Posted by dig dug dan on 08 Feb. 2012,22:55
its not a conifer. its a cordyline
see < wiki >
Posted by mickg on 08 Feb. 2012,22:59I hope you soon feeling better too Giles
Posted by rab1 on 08 Feb. 2012,23:01mick, nice work as always but stop showing off.
Posted by Pablo on 08 Feb. 2012,23:04
Your link doesn't work but I take it you're joking.
Posted by rab1 on 08 Feb. 2012,23:04a drive a day mate. lol
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 08 Feb. 2012,23:24
no no wasnt complaining just remember those eclipse?? patio with the black border and the precision of the cutting in
and thanks the other week i was laying road kerbs on my own by hand and no problem bend over pick my 3.5 yr old up about 3 stone and boom...
Posted by msh paving on 09 Feb. 2012,00:42
That is a Yew or a conifer of some strain, can't see it ever being a cordyline MSH
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 Feb. 2012,00:55it looks like a turd on the thames and draws your eye away from the quality of the steps
mick those circular steps look great
1 way of spotting the greats of step building is when every riser is identical
saw a drive today where bottom step was 60 mm and top one was 180mm
poor setting out
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 09 Feb. 2012,01:40The bloke was adamant about keeping tree all the neighbours thought he was crazy so did I.
I told him it would lift the paving,
and it was a bit of a nightmare getting up to the door in the tight area I had but I like a challenge and the customer Is always right.
Posted by haggistini on 09 Feb. 2012,09:22Very creative steps pink and mick but have you ever paved a sheep dip! Photos to follow...
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 Feb. 2012,09:50sheep dip?
isnt that what the welsh call a knocking shop?
Posted by haggistini on 09 Feb. 2012,10:47Easy now Luton!
Posted by DNgroundworks on 09 Feb. 2012,11:10I know what a sheep dip is, how and why did you pave one of them?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 Feb. 2012,11:14maybe its a posh sheep dip?
i would have thought they had to be water tight with all the bad publicity about organo phosphates?
Posted by dig dug dan on 09 Feb. 2012,18:44
having studied this after zooming in, i would now correct myself and say conifer, but not yew.
but in anycase, it needs too come out!
Posted by msh paving on 09 Feb. 2012,19:10
Nice to see a man who admits a mistake...I agree should be pulled out by its roots and chipped...MSH
Posted by haggistini on 09 Feb. 2012,19:20
Posted by ambient on 09 Feb. 2012,20:50like the cicular steps mick must have been very time consuming
Posted by mickg on 09 Feb. 2012,21:01cheers tony, yeah very time consuming
Posted by haggistini on 09 Feb. 2012,21:12Just got in ....! the sheep dip isn't a dip but a historical remake for washing the wool prior to sheering when wool was a valuable commodity years ago and using a natural spring which will be coming out of the wall the shape helps the shepherds as the sheep will just keep going arround because they are to thick to get out up the ramp!
What the two are doing to the sheep in the illustration is anyone guess but she is a looker!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 Feb. 2012,21:45nota bene
the guy on the left has wellies on
will that be pointed with traditional stuff then haggi?
any kind of heritage work i have done they always want traditional and vernacular methods and materials
Posted by cookiewales on 11 Feb. 2012,08:01
love it nice work there mick g and the pink man mick did you change your isp
Posted by mickg on 11 Feb. 2012,08:09cheers cookie
yeah I tried changing the IP number I had with my current ISP but that made no difference so had no choice but to go with a new ISP what has a totally different range of IP numbers just so I could keep my eye on LPAD again
mind you I am still waiting for him to post photos of his latest creations . . . come on local patio's and driveways lets see some of your work, its more than 18 months since you last posted photos
Posted by haggistini on 11 Feb. 2012,08:10It will be pointed with 4/1 slurry sharpe sand & cement it's a private job for cookie.
Posted by cookiewales on 11 Feb. 2012,08:19martin from stone valley is having the same problem cant post
Posted by haggistini on 11 Feb. 2012,08:24Can't he set up a new account ? Be nice to see his stock photos!
Posted by mickg on 11 Feb. 2012,08:29i tried that
IP ban means your blocked from seeing anything relating to the forum including being able to set up a new account too
Posted by haggistini on 11 Feb. 2012,08:30So you had to change you IP then mick?
Posted by Carberry on 11 Feb. 2012,08:34Looks like been banning too many of the spammers by IP and caught some good people in the crossfire. Wouldn't be surprised if they're using IP spoofer, or using a proxy etc Maybe ban them by username or email or something rather than IP?
Posted by mickg on 11 Feb. 2012,08:34I have changed to a new internet service provider, now using a new router
I tried changing the IP number with the old ISP but all that was changed is the last 4 numbers in the IP range, I contacted tony mc 3 times regarding it and tony was adamant I was not banned which my user name was fine as I could still gain access on my iphone but not on my PC so it had to be an IP based ban
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 11 Feb. 2012,10:11its a very queer set up and probably related to the age of the software used
around 100 spammers register each week but hardly any ever go on to post
i assume its some kind of bot doing the registering as it would be too time consuming for a human for so little return
on a more modern SQL type software captchas would be used but sadly their aint enough $$$ in the pot for that
Posted by Thehandmadegarden on 11 Feb. 2012,10:29I came back on here after a gap and couldn't post on my account. I ended up opening another account, but now I'm knocked back down to barrow pusher :-( Getting to old to be labouring on :-(
Posted by mickg on 11 Feb. 2012,10:40good to see you in here Clive
Posted by Thehandmadegarden on 11 Feb. 2012,10:53Thanks Mick
I put The Handmade Garden on the back burner for awhile and went to work for a few other companies but seeing what some plonkers call good work. I knew I had to be doing my own thing. So with all my possessions in a knotted hankie slung over my shoulder I set off for that there London village. :-)
Never to old to start again! :-)
Posted by carlbeardsmore on 11 Feb. 2012,10:54My IP address at home is banned too, im with O2 but my phone which is also with O2 works fine on 3G.
I have to wait until I can get on a works machine to read the forum.
I guess alot of the spammers use an O2 subnet.
Posted by mickg on 11 Feb. 2012,11:03i don't blame you doing that Clive, i could not work for another company
if that's the case carl it would explain why I was dragged into the depths of forum exile as bethere my old ISP is owned by O2 so the IP ranges could be similar
well its either that or Tony Mc being trigger happy
3g must be totally different as I could access the forum off my iphone too
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 11 Feb. 2012,11:18IIRC betheres customer services were in bulgaria?
the majority of the users of this site are from western europe usa oz and a smattering of english speaking nations
the spammers seem to be mainly russians
someone a lot cleverer than me could maybe figure it out
but i dont know
Posted by DNgroundworks on 11 Feb. 2012,13:30Just out of interest what is Tony Mc up to nowadays?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 11 Feb. 2012,13:55doing what he has always done.
project managing,consultation,design and a few choice words on here now and again regarding paving
lot of work on here that is not forum related
Posted by haggistini on 11 Feb. 2012,22:19There you go Clive your promotion to a labourer
Gave my old man a hand today with his rounds delivering flowers as he's retiring next year . His round was in Swansea today so I took a few snaps of my work from about 5 years ago it lead me to this site as I wanted to able to do a better job and I'm self employed now and have worked on some very large projects with the gaffer and cookie and still learning loads every day here and in work I love paving and the feeling after a hard days graft I think the paving game alone is hard to get established unless you have a niche market or affluent area to work in but I'll keep at it cos I love it! here's the pics anyway it should be in not so recent work but I rarely get to see my work 5 years later...
These were tricky to drop in!
I was quite proud of this cut using an old diamond blade as a template
Tree pit resin bonded system still intact just .. And roots have moved some slabs
Posted by Dave_L on 11 Feb. 2012,22:26Thats great seeing that after 5 yrs or so, nice work!
Posted by haggistini on 11 Feb. 2012,22:28Cut my teeth/York stone down there dave some cracking sights ;) ;) ;)
Posted by mickg on 11 Feb. 2012,22:53nice work haggi, very neat cutting round the covers
Posted by Dave_L on 11 Feb. 2012,23:21I'll be there were some cracking sights Haggi!! A bit of skirt makes the day go so much better
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 11 Feb. 2012,23:55I still reckon yorkstone is wasted on joe public with their gum,lager and chicken wrappers
lovely to see it still looking good haggis
shame about the abuse
Posted by haggistini on 12 Feb. 2012,00:07It's almost pebble dashed with that shit! It was treated after we finnished and boards put up for people to put the gum on!... but it does wear nice and should be awesome in another 100yrs
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 12 Feb. 2012,02:19Nice work hag I'd love to be involved on a big job like that.
That i could visit
Posted by haggistini on 12 Feb. 2012,07:58Worked my bolloxs off for peanuts down there pink but we did have the craic..
Posted by London Stone Paving on 12 Feb. 2012,19:25All that chewing gum is a disgrace. The stuff should be banned in my opinion
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 12 Feb. 2012,20:04its chewing gum or fags for me right now steve
but it shouldnt be spat out
Posted by ilovesettsonmondays on 12 Feb. 2012,20:44nice work hag , same work as i usually do. the chewing gum issue is a big concern especially when the stone is 100 pound plus a metre.ive worked with stone over 300 pound a square metre and weeks later its splattered with chewy . oxford street is absolutely covered in it. we either roll on or soft brush on an anti stick chewing gum sealer after laying. imo it doesnt do its job and at 300 pound for a five gallon drum not cheap either.i dont think theres anyway round the problem.was that marshalls fine sawn that you laid hag.lovely to cut with a pitcher.
Posted by London Stone Paving on 12 Feb. 2012,21:22
I've quit myself. Put on a few pounds in weight. Planning to do the welsh 3000's in June, so should be an opportunity to get myself back in shape.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 12 Feb. 2012,21:44our scaffolder has set off today to climb mount Kilimanjaro
when asked what training to do they guide said
"start climbing your stairs every morning at 7.15,stop for a cup of tea for 15 minutes at 1 then carry on till 8 at night"
when you can do this without any problem you are ready
I have managed to lose a bit but have started walking at night,2/2.5 miles up steep hills
I used to do cross country for the school but that was 30 years ago and 11 stone
Posted by Pablo on 12 Feb. 2012,22:14
IMO chwing gum should be either banned or the manufacturers forced to make it biodegrade within a very short space of time. There's several area's around here that have been done with sawn york and huge sawn granite kerbs but they're all in the roughest parts and have been totally wrecked. Most pavements should really be done with a decent kerb and asphalt with chips its cheaper and looks so much better in bad areas.
Posted by London Stone Paving on 12 Feb. 2012,23:04
I always find training a bit easier when you are actually training for something. Gives you that bit more focus.
Kilamanjaroo, that would be good fun. Bet it costs a few quid to get on that gig. any ideas what your scaffolder paid?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 12 Feb. 2012,23:36Dunno but its a 2 week job
i think its 40% dont make it due to altitude sickness
he is one of the fittest strongest blokes i know so he has a good chance
will keep updated
Posted by local patios and driveways on 13 Feb. 2012,07:58If chris moyles can do it.....
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 13 Feb. 2012,08:30abrahmovich failed..........
Posted by local patios and driveways on 13 Feb. 2012,09:24Fern cotton did it with french nails and a full face of slap... ;)
Im not sure what state chris moyles nails were in at the time though
Posted by DNgroundworks on 13 Feb. 2012,18:55I have a fascination of mountains/mountaineering, id love to be on the Kilimanjaro trip, nearly went to Everest Base camp last year, in the end i couldn't justify the cost....nearly £6000.00, to climb the mountain, costs around 30k im lead to believe in permits, sherpas, gear, plane tickets, accommodation, and apparently it can be upto a 90 day trip depending on weather!
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 13 Feb. 2012,20:35a lotof my friends are mountaineers and guides, sheffield is a bit of a mecca for them my mate matt is off leading a party up everest at the moment and my other mate mark whos a rigger is working on the new bond film , yeah £30k and a 50% chance of dieing lol
Posted by DNgroundworks on 13 Feb. 2012,21:50id sooner climb other mountains anyway, the bases on the way up everest are like landfill sites, gas bottles, tents....a few bodies all over the gaff, due to the sheer number of people that climb it every year.
On the other hand ill have some more photos for you all soon
Posted by Pablo on 13 Feb. 2012,22:43You're right DN it would be amazing to stand on the top but you'll have to climb past dead poeple and vast amounts of waste to get there you also have to walk the andrex highway on the way to base (all those thousands of trekkers have to sh#t somewhere and aparently it's like mile upon mile of open sewer. In my old life I was lucky enough to climb some amazing mountains the highest being Mt McKinley but my favourite was Mt Kenya (the real summit not the lower tourist one) it knocks the spots off Kilimanjaro for scenery and is way cheaper. Kilimanjaro is higher but the whole thing is just a slog up a huge dome so that when you get to the top you've got no veiw and because of how the guides are set up you have to pay someone to carry your bag so the local economy can benefit which is a good idea in theory but I like to do it all myself. You can see kilimanjaro from Mt Kenya in fact you can see half of Africa from it and its breathtaking. I've also climbed Mt Rainer which is the tallest mountain in America outside of Alaska and then skied down it which was about the biggest rush of adrenaline I've ever had. The reason Moyles made the summit and others didn't was because he smokes which actaually trains the body to work better without oxygen. Very fit and healthy people who've never been at altitude before are usually the first to throw in the towel because their bodies are to dependant on sea level strength oxygen and their muscles are to hungry for it.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 13 Feb. 2012,23:07i spoke to phil about oxygen etc and he said that there is the same oxygen all the way through the atmosphere
just there is less pressure at altitude so you have to work harder to get it into your body
I know what you are saying about the tourist mountains though,i have read "touching the void" and TBH that put me off mountains and their ilk cliffs
gimme a nice walk through rolling chiltern countryside any day
Posted by DNgroundworks on 14 Feb. 2012,19:08ive read all of Joe simpsons books LLL, thats what started my fascination.
Im no mountaineer but if i was (and any good) the ones id want to climb are the Eiger, Annapurna, Nanga parbat, and K2, now they are achievements!
Posted by joydivision on 14 Feb. 2012,19:35I have just turned down the chance to climb Ama Dablam, on a very close knit and non comercial exped.
Its probably the one mountain id want to climb in the world, google it, its impressive!
Just had our first child, and need to get an extension up on my own place, so cant afford it!
Thats the thing, these things cost so much. Id be away for 4 weeks, so thats 4 weeks no pay to me. Taking that into account, the trip would set me back the best part of 10k.
Gutted isnt the word though!
Posted by joydivision on 14 Feb. 2012,19:45DN, I know a few chaps who have climbed the Eiger Nordwand. Amazing route, I had my sights set on for a long term goal. Then I broke my foot in the alps, then had the baby, hence not climbed much recently. Doubt Il ever have the time now to put into it, to get close enough to the standard needed to climb it.
Some photos here of someone I know climbing the Eiger NF
< http://www.jamesthacker-mountaineering.co.uk/index.p....1304513 >
If your interested tht is!
Posted by seanandruby on 14 Feb. 2012,22:45climbed a few walls in my alki days when i didn't have the latch lifter
Posted by haggistini on 14 Feb. 2012,23:11Dont feel like climbing the stairs tonight tonight!
Posted by digerjones on 14 Feb. 2012,23:14still not thawed yet then, there was still frost in packs of bricks today. when are the sheep coming.
Posted by DNgroundworks on 15 Feb. 2012,20:30Awesome stuff Joydivision, love them photos!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 15 Feb. 2012,21:38isnt the north face the really, really, dangerous and hard to climb one?
Posted by London Stone Paving on 15 Feb. 2012,21:48Its deadly. Technically very hard climbing, combined with a crumbling mountain and weather conditions that can turn in the blink of an eye.
Ranulph Fiennes climbed it at the age of 60 odd, with stumps for fingers and a fear of heights. That guys got some balls.
Posted by London Stone Paving on 15 Feb. 2012,21:54Those photos are awesome. Anybody who has got the balls to climb that mountain deserves massive respect
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 15 Feb. 2012,21:56i note that in joe simpson's book, all of the problems were of their own making
biggest problem was not being prepared for a problem
so they opted for snow holes instead of tents,which turned out really bad
its fascinating but something i never want to participate in
Posted by rab1 on 15 Feb. 2012,22:03Steve, you cant really use sir ranulph as an example with his stump fingers, he cut them off himself in his shed as the severe frost bite on another expedition destroyed them.
Posted by joydivision on 15 Feb. 2012,22:11He got, 'guided' up it by one of the best guides in the world and another amazing climber. Still amazing, but he was in very safe hands. Still got to do it mind, but the actual climbing isnt cutting edge anymore, its actually fairly easy compared to what gets climbed now.
As you say its more the weather and the poor rock for protection.
Teams use to spend a week climbing the route, now fast teams can climb it under a day. This maniac has one of the fastest accents, 2h 40m or something stupid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxqB9T3T004
I doubt id be able to manage it at 60 though, not to mention his fear of heights!
Posted by London Stone Paving on 15 Feb. 2012,22:18
Why not Rab? Stumps are stumps? wether he cut them off himself or not
Posted by rab1 on 15 Feb. 2012,22:32You got me there mate but the man is a legend.
Posted by DNgroundworks on 16 Feb. 2012,20:15Yeah the north face is literally a cliff, ive read in another book that a mountaineer died up that mountain decades ago, and was left hanging on his rope, frozen solid for (dont quote me) years, until they found a way of getting him down :0
Touching the void is about there expedition on siula grande in the perusian alpes, i think thats considered an easy climb nowadays, i think they failed not by climbing alpine style but not taking enough gas
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 16 Feb. 2012,20:45touching the void split the sheffield climbers in half, i know a lot of them and photograph them out at stanage and in climbing works, used to see simon in the sheaf view, joy have you heard of simon nadin? hes a mate and ex neighbour he was an excellent climber and was climbing an over hang in the peaks and slipped and fell 10 foot then his last tie of point bit and catapulted him into the face, he put a leg out to stop himself and snapped his leg at a 90 degree angle ouch....
bouldering pics are fun ;)
Posted by mickg on 16 Feb. 2012,21:00all this talk about walking up mountains when this guy does it the easy way
< navigate a mountain top >
Posted by joydivision on 16 Feb. 2012,21:57No Giles dont know the chap. Sounds nasty!
Bouldering shots are really good. I love how the determination and concentration can be captured so precisely.
Climbing takes you to some stunning places, I just wish I knew how to use a camera like you!
Some stunning shots on here you may appreciate.
The first one is a very similar one to the photo of yours at stanage with the head torch.
< http://www.ukclimbing.com/photos/top200.html?nstart=0 >
Posted by Carberry on 16 Feb. 2012,22:04
And the cleavage
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 16 Feb. 2012,22:54
< deja vu >
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 16 Feb. 2012,23:00never seen a rock in the dirty south giles
i start getting didgy when i cant see concrete
RE:simon yates,if he hadnt cut the rope they would both be dead
Posted by seanandruby on 16 Feb. 2012,23:01touching the void....brilliant piece of work.
Posted by mickg on 16 Feb. 2012,23:03ha ha, I know i will hold my head in shame on the duplicate posting as I found yours about 10 minutes later
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 16 Feb. 2012,23:07getting slightly back on topic pitched the roof, built the gables
and later on today felt and battened
tiling and lead work tomorrow
Posted by London Stone Paving on 17 Feb. 2012,08:24
That is true DN. 4 climbers attempted to climb the mountain before it had ever been summited. They hit some problems and tried to get back down but a couple of them didnt make it. There is a train tunnel that runs through the mountain and this guy was hanging within close reach to one of the window look outs but he couldnt quite be reached. He was up there for a few months before being cut down and he became a bit of a grim tourist attraction
Posted by Mikey_C on 19 Feb. 2012,18:20
does the pitch affect how much and the size of timbers needed in the gale construction. I've got an attached garage that I'm about to reroof the lower joists got added about 6 years ago in 6x2's but the rafters are 4x2's, there is no connection (timber) between the where the joists start on the wall and the rafters start on the wall. there is also no metal work connected to the brick work at each end. I'm starting to think I might need to rebuild the woodwork in roof before I put the new one on.
Posted by haggistini on 19 Feb. 2012,18:46Good sturdy roof there LLL
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 19 Feb. 2012,19:33a picture would be handy mikey
the roof is indeed overspecified haggi
all that timber is tanalised 250 by 50 joists and 150 by 50 rafters
all bolted together and resin anchored onto the wall
plus every single tile has to be fixed with a screw and fixing due to the low pitch
back on climbing phil the scaff summited mount Kilimanjaro today
said it was a lot harder than he imagined
Posted by digerjones on 19 Feb. 2012,20:11building a double garage at mo. main roof is 40degree pitch. its got a wood store on side as a lean to. the pitch changes to 22 degree, i'm useing these tiles < http://www.forticrete.co.uk/product....es.html >
Posted by joydivision on 19 Feb. 2012,20:22Fair play to the lad summiting Kili. I bet he's made up. Its a great feeling reaching a summit, even better when your back down with a beer in hand!
The difficult thing with the Kili trip is the lack of acclimatization. On most of these comercial trips the only acclimatising you do is on the way up! (Quick turn around of clients, up and down.)
Some people do climb Mt Kenya first, which is a better approach, allowing some acclimatising before the ascent of kili. That would make it more enjoyable for most.
Its the weirdest feeling, when you start feeling the affects of altitude. Every step feels like you have a bag of cement on the end of each leg, and your out of breath like your sprinting when in reality your moveing at a snails pace!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 19 Feb. 2012,21:13He did route 66 a couple of years ago and took a lot of photos,i wil see if he has done any on this trip
the roof we are doing dylan is 16 deg which is too shallow for those ones even
< centurion >
on the majority of houses you can only go out 3.5-4 m singles story without the roof interfering with your bedroom windows
Posted by digerjones on 19 Feb. 2012,23:03tony the tiles we are using are from the same company then. you rate them? i'm paying 66p a tile + vat. 16 per metre against 60 per metre for single tiles at 32p each.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 20 Feb. 2012,08:21i prefer plain tiles but you need a minimum 30 deg pitch
and i prefer clay over concrete but for this particular job we are bound to use the centurions
i like the double roman profile, better as they are bigger and you can nail through them
seen your ones used a lot and they do look a good match for plain on low pitches
you can normally get reclaimed clay for around 20p a tile
Posted by dig dug dan on 23 Feb. 2012,18:30just spent 6 days at a local vineyard. spec was to provide new car park area, entrance gates to the vineyard, and covered seating area for wine tasting. They wanted the area gated off so they could charge £3 for a tour and taste. before, they would turn up, walk round for free, have a free taste and clear off. not good for business.
ok guys. give it your best shot
Posted by ambient on 23 Feb. 2012,18:35looks very smart quality workmanship
Posted by dig dug dan on 23 Feb. 2012,18:46thanks. It was a noce job, and i did it on my own in my own time which made a change!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 23 Feb. 2012,19:14very professional looking
Posted by DNgroundworks on 23 Feb. 2012,19:38very smart dan, i like the gates, ive done a similar job this week, ill post photos tomora
Posted by dig dug dan on 23 Feb. 2012,19:56
look forward to that dan!!
Posted by Pablo on 23 Feb. 2012,21:09I really like simple ranch and picket fencing jobs a good un Dan. That's enough blowing smoke up your arse now so lets talk about the Kubota that's a great looking bit of kit I'm super jealous what other toys do you have for it.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 23 Feb. 2012,21:32what is that attachment on the kubota?
I spoke to dan on the phone earlier and i used to drive past that vineyard every day for 18 months,its on the outskirts of ashridge forest and easily one of the most picturesque areas around these parts
anyway back on to recent stuff
roof tiled and lead installed
the tin slate around that vent pipe was a bugger and a half to fit and get to lay flat
every sodding tile was clipped
poly sulphide mastic
deep flow gutter and weepholes
on to the ramps now while the plumbers and sparks do their thing
Posted by dig dug dan on 23 Feb. 2012,21:41
its a post driver. I had a job dividing a field off into paddocks, and had to bang in a mile worth of fencing. I was gogin to pay someone to do it, but decided to buy my own machine.
Bit of a bargain. ex show machine, all hydraulic, mast tilt forwards and back, and its telescopic so you can bang in 13' posts! i paid 2 grand for it.
what other gadgets? 5ft mower, log splitter, saw bench,grader, soil screener, flail mower , tipping trailer and post hole borer for the kubota.
kubota is 32hp and has 25mph top road speed. not bad for a compact tractor!
Posted by mickg on 23 Feb. 2012,21:41very neat work as always Luton
Posted by mickg on 23 Feb. 2012,21:45nice job dan
Posted by DNgroundworks on 23 Feb. 2012,22:41Dan i like your tractor
Posted by Carberry on 24 Feb. 2012,10:21
That a euphenism?
Nice work there LLL & Dan.
LLL: If that's your 19kg from Flogas you can probably get a better deal just now, with it being a mild winter sales are down so all the dealers are running about offering stupid prices trying to drum up business.
Do you fit the windows yourself too? If you do I will probably be asking you some questions about it this summer, My flat has no double glazing so going to try and fit new windows this summer.
Posted by Pablo on 24 Feb. 2012,21:50Been a busy fortnight but made great progress and the weather has generally been kind.
Started this one properly after doing the clearance before christmas it's a full back garden with 90m of sandstone with silver and black granite trim and silver kerbs and steps. Sett path with exposed aggregate car washing bay. Moved a lean to and all the soil and storm pipes needed re doing along with resiting the oil tank and water taps. Levelled the lawn and the upper tier and removed 8 ro-ro skips (approx 20 ton each) through that small archway which is why the cabs off the digger. Retaining the soil and beds with either sleepers or anchor walling which will be decided once client sees the finished paving also got some planters to be done in the same and a bit of fencing. The upper tier is a play area surfaced with play grade synthetic turf. Once completed it's being panted in a less council roundabout manner with child freindly low maintenance plants. Coming along nicely but the pressure is on because I've 2 jobs on the go just now and I'm spread thin.
Topsoil redressed approx 250mm deep wasn't expecting to be able to do this but it was dry and friable so took the chance and got away with it and kept it's structure intact.
The circle is getting a 3 row sett trim which along with the beds will be cut in situ once the paving is in. Before anyone chews my ar#e the flags thats are stacked upright are rejects and were in the process of being rifted.
I promise to get a decent camera soon.
Posted by Dave_L on 25 Feb. 2012,20:43Just finished a site enabling job - put the access road and services in from the road edge up to the end of the access road and built the walls excl. the central pier,as it will only get damaged during future construction work.
Roadway finished to basecourse level, final surface course to go on when all construction work is complete.
Posted by Pablo on 25 Feb. 2012,21:09Tidy Dave I bet someone still manages to tw#t that wall but good thinking leaving it short.
I helped my plasterer get the finish coat on some walls today he's the fastest man in the west and very neat too this only took 4 hrs. Gonna leave it a week to harden then will fit the paving and plant it up the lawn will have to wait.
And the good news is that I've now bought a decent camera and once I've found a 12 year who can show me how to use it I'll start kicking Giles's ar#e with my photographic brilliance.:laugh:
Posted by local patios and driveways on 25 Feb. 2012,21:15Very nice pablo, was this designed by you? I think that render done well and painted the right colour looks modern and clean, seems a popular finish on bespoke landscape works at the moment
Posted by mickg on 25 Feb. 2012,21:29nice work Dave
awesome garden transformation pablo
Posted by Pablo on 25 Feb. 2012,21:33Yes I was given a budget and a list of wants. It was supposed to be finished months ago but I've had to wait for the new doors to be fitted because they set the level for everything and the deck couldn't be installled before them having to do this along with another job now because I've had to work around plumbers tilers and kitchen fitters who've all wanted to walk over everything I'm doing so had to start another one which I hate doing.
Posted by Dave_L on 25 Feb. 2012,21:38The trouble with our work, compared to you pavers etc is that like 80% of it is buried, pipes, ducts, manholes etc etc etc so it doesn't look half as pretty as these super patios etc!!
But those enabling works were 5 hard weeks of work!
Posted by Pablo on 25 Feb. 2012,21:49I can appreciate the work thats been done to get to that stage Dave and keeping your diggers busy for 5 weeks in the middle of winter is a cracking job to land.
Posted by Dave_L on 25 Feb. 2012,22:02Yeah it all fell into place early December, great job to land for frosty/icy mornings etc- a time of year when we can't do much surfacing work.
Hopefully we we will get invited to tender for the groundworks for the two houses late spring too.
Lots of manholes constructed, forgot these...
160mm duct with 1200x600 drawpits at 20m intervals for 63mm PE Gas service to be installed at a later date, 2 x 32mm water supplies, 100mm foul service to main sewer and a electric duct for driveway bollard lighting. A busy service trench!!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 25 Feb. 2012,22:52great work guys
some cracking designs there pablo
no excuse for flags stacked like that I took my licks off the gaffer for it
the render on walls to me seems a very scottish and irish thing,mind you the inclement weather makes it a good choice
we rarely get any clients want anything as artistic as pablo's creations
top notch both of ya
Posted by haggistini on 25 Feb. 2012,23:28spot on fellas as usual your all top tradesmen and your work is spot on!
Posted by mickg on 25 Feb. 2012,23:38the render on the walls is used a lot in contemporary garden designs and has gained more popularity in recent years seeing as lots of flower shows including Chelsea have garden displays showing this type of finish
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 26 Feb. 2012,00:30i thought they went for the extortionate snocrete types of render
£100 per metre etc
i find that normal render costs an arm and a leg in decent paint every 3-5years
however i have family in the south of ireland and all their houses are rendered
Posted by mickg on 26 Feb. 2012,09:42the high end designers would use the snocrete or similar renders but most use normal render and either cream or white paint finish, what most do which I don't agree with is to not have a coping on top of the block wall instead using render on the top which must lead to issues at a later date
if you do see a full brick house it tends to stick out like a sore thumb as like you say all the other houses are rendered , I have only been the once many years ago and was told its because bricks are imported hence more expensive than block work and render finish, I don't know if that's changed now as it was in the 80's when I was there
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 28 Feb. 2012,19:12ramp at front of house
dug out and did the upstands yesterday
lean mixed the void this Am then did the flags
not the most illustrious of work but it pays the bills
used the screed method today and it seemed to work fine,we shall see tomorrow
Posted by Mikey_C on 01 Mar. 2012,15:36
< here >
started in separate thread
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 01 Mar. 2012,19:28spoke to phil about Kilimanjaro
it cost them 3 grand each for the package which included flights and everything,think they had to bung the porters a few quid tip
he said it was very clean up there as all parties are weighed and you get charged for any lost weight when you descend ++ so rubbish is brought down
he said although a great experience it is very very uncomfortable above 5000 m
struggle to catch your breath all of the time
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 02 Mar. 2012,20:16This weeks job. Ready for a ripping.
Posted by Carberry on 02 Mar. 2012,20:39
Too many colours and they're clashing.
Can't rip the standard of work
Posted by dig dug dan on 02 Mar. 2012,20:39slips and darts
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 02 Mar. 2012,21:01Totally agree and see the benefits of inboard cutting but on certain jobs when there is less than 3 meters of paving between borders it just never looks right IMO
Posted by DNgroundworks on 02 Mar. 2012,21:18i dont like inboard cuts on much other than commercial installations.....flame me at will...nice work pink
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 03 Mar. 2012,04:291 slips and darts
2 dapplelights in a retaining wall?
3 100mm retaining wall?
4 no weep holes
5 no land drain
6 bottom of gate ??
7 need a shoe on that downpipe,having it like that it will block with leaves
I am taking the pesh of course beautiful job mr. pink,you have a style all of your own there TOWIE
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 03 Mar. 2012,08:04The fellow we did it for was quoted for a 225mm wall but said it too expensive we put ties in the wall and concreted behind it just below the soldiers everything else I'm guilty as charged
Posted by local patios and driveways on 03 Mar. 2012,09:48Must say i dont have any issues with darts etc, never seen them fail in anyway in the past. It keeps the pattern and looks like you went for the easy option when you lose the pattern
Posted by mickg on 03 Mar. 2012,10:00nice work pink
the only change I would make is instead of having the front of the brick forming the step risrer in line with the house wall I would of lined the back of the brick in line with the inside edge of the drainage channel so the border would flow instead of having a gimp
very neat work though
Posted by DNgroundworks on 03 Mar. 2012,15:02wtf is a gimp Mick?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 03 Mar. 2012,16:55
still a cracking job
Posted by local patios and driveways on 03 Mar. 2012,17:07Thats a gimp? In that case my mask is faulty.... ;)
Posted by local patios and driveways on 03 Mar. 2012,17:09And call me pedantic but where the tight curve of the paving border is i would have cut the angle instead of square. Same time, looks better
Posted by mickg on 03 Mar. 2012,17:21i dont agree as the border follows the shape of the wall and thats exactly how I would of cut it in too, but hey what do I know
Posted by local patios and driveways on 03 Mar. 2012,17:29Yeah you got to follow the curve mick but by cutting the blocks at an extra 5 degees they fit the space perfectly rather than gaps on the outer edge of the curve
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 03 Mar. 2012,17:48personally i think it looks a cracking job
sadly once the frost gets in to those dapplelights they will blow but hey! the customer is always right
as i said mr.pink has a rather bling style all of his own
*pimp my patio*
Posted by mickg on 03 Mar. 2012,17:49right my mistake, yeah I would of tapered the half blocks to give a 1 - 2 mm gap between each cut instead of the taper on the sand
Posted by London Stone Paving on 03 Mar. 2012,18:18Bloody hell, I appreciate the workmanship but thats gbh to the eyes. Mr pink, you must have the patience of a saint
Posted by DNgroundworks on 03 Mar. 2012,18:22Cheers for the drawing LLL...looks like a 2 year old did it...pink writing....;).....right so i now know what a gimp is, and why the feck is it called a gimp? next question wtf is a dapplelight?!
I like pinks work, its pleasing to the eye and i reckon all of his customers are well impressed, cuz all they see is the "bling" and the wow factor - nice stuff i reckon
Posted by mickg on 03 Mar. 2012,18:32don't know why it just is, passed down through generations of irish
dapplelight is the name of the bricks
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 03 Mar. 2012,19:09and they are known for exploding when coming into contact with a mild breeze and some sea spray
Posted by haggistini on 03 Mar. 2012,19:11Nice work LLL on the ramp, did you use a slab sucker to drop them in and did you tap them or just sat on top?
Nice job there Mr Pink that brick work is very technical and the job is very neat I would not have picked up on LLL's recommendations as he is the silver trowel! but that's why we post pics to learn and share knowledge.
In Regards to the usual "slips & darts" comments.
Why don't we just remove the bedding material prior to cutting in and use a strong dryish mortar mix which acts the same as the bedding material whilst consolidating but will go off and add support to the small piece thus keeping the aesthetics and reduce the fail rate! I still inboard cut BTW
Posted by DNgroundworks on 03 Mar. 2012,19:19I just think on a private job, inboard cutting doesnt look good, customers dont like it, and they arent bothered about the advantages of inboard cuts........they just want it looking right? Obviously try and avoid the really small bits by putting a half block further back or whatever.
Good idea hagg
I might use the word gimp in my next quotation "install new block paved path to side of property as discussed, incorporate a gimp within the paving to continue the block border around existing brick work" ha ha
Posted by mickg on 03 Mar. 2012,19:21roflmao
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 03 Mar. 2012,19:56we say look at the gimp on that fella
it is generally directed at someone walking fast head down with 1 shoulder down
no slab suckers here hagg
wacked the compo then screeded it off and carefully laid the slabs on it
would a slab sucker work with bar faced slabs?
Posted by local patios and driveways on 03 Mar. 2012,20:04Suckers, gimps, dopple gangers... What has this site become?
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 03 Mar. 2012,23:15Great load of different opinions there. I love this forum where else can you talk about cuts gimps and the like.
With regards to the bricks though I'm 100% sure they are not dapple lights as I have used them once on a porch LLL
"Pimp my patio" I think you could be on to something with this slogan lol
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 03 Mar. 2012,23:31Finished this today using easyjoint fire at will
I know y'all don't like this jointing method but customers alway wrong I'm mean right
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 03 Mar. 2012,23:32
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 03 Mar. 2012,23:36the patio layout and the build look great
if that easijoint is a polymeric i give it 3 years tops
Posted by mickg on 03 Mar. 2012,23:37did you mean easipoint using the gun ?
if so then its the best on the market at this moment in time
< but if its this stuff >
then I agree with luton and it will not last
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 03 Mar. 2012,23:43No it isn't easypoint its easyjoint the polymeric sand which is applied in soaking wet conditions.
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 03 Mar. 2012,23:48I agree it's most likely to fail I explained in an earlier post about customer wanting a buff finish. Fussy ppl putting valuing appearance over strength. Oh well I got paid today a day earlier as well.
Posted by Carberry on 04 Mar. 2012,00:28always thought this was a gimp :P
Don't think that will solve the problem of them cracking?
Posted by mickg on 04 Mar. 2012,00:30nice job
the brush in resin based jointing product would take less than an hour to joint that patio and if it rained would make little or no difference to the finish, the easipoint gun applied will take a few hours longer but does start to set after about 30 - 40 minutes so if it rained a few hours later it still would not spoil the pointing, both of these products are always a constant colour
if you was to be on your hands and knees all day pointing with traditional 4:1 sand and cement and it rained then the patio could be ruined and cement splattered all over the paving so the resin based is the best option on the day all be it at a higher cost but what is coming to light over the last couple of years is they are not lasting as long as traditional sand and cement pointing does
Posted by local patios and driveways on 04 Mar. 2012,05:20Does look good pink, but i cant but feel its too plain for such a large area. A border or feature would have made it more interesting, but client gets what client wants
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 04 Mar. 2012,18:05
I can't stress enough how annoying these clients were they had 3 crates of lovely sandstone delivered the woman spotted one bit of a fossil on a flag a that was it down to b&q and found the bradstone crap which was more expensive the design was nothing to do with me I just relayed it after the builder of the extension Layed it with straight joints and cross joints all over the place not to mention the great dip in front of the back doors. I only offered to do it cos they are mrs pinks friends and when I heard two carpenters were coming to relay it I thought I'd better help out.
Posted by London Stone Paving on 04 Mar. 2012,18:09
Cant believe they chose that stuff over Indian sandstone. No offence to the installation Pink, it looks spot on but I do wonder with some peoples tastes.
Posted by Dave_L on 04 Mar. 2012,23:01I/We use the word 'gimp' or 'gimped up'. Not sure I could get away with it on a quotation or spec though.
I might try to slip it into one this week. See how I get on!
Posted by DNgroundworks on 04 Mar. 2012,23:18Im going to try also......customer - "so what do you think will look best here then dan"..........me "well i reckon a gimp will look well" ha ha
Posted by mickg on 04 Mar. 2012,23:25i think we need to start a "word of the month thread"
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 06 Mar. 2012,11:18Brett beta pato area
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 06 Mar. 2012,14:31
Posted by cookiewales on 06 Mar. 2012,14:57Mr pink not a big fan of cbp but am off quilty work your bullnose Kerbs are very good keep up the good work and levels
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 06 Mar. 2012,16:55nice work danny
pimped to the max
Posted by Carberry on 06 Mar. 2012,17:08Someone standing behind me asked why you would get paving like that done when you have a house that looks like that
Posted by DNgroundworks on 06 Mar. 2012,17:41*bling bling* looks well never seen paving that colour before, levels look spot on
Posted by mickg on 06 Mar. 2012,20:08very nice work Danny
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 06 Mar. 2012,20:26
That's a converted garage at the end there his son smokes a lot of dope in there.
Posted by Pablo on 06 Mar. 2012,20:34Ours is not to reason why ours is but to do and die. Super tidy Mr Pink.
Posted by DNgroundworks on 06 Mar. 2012,20:44not a bad ganga shed
Posted by michaelthegardener on 06 Mar. 2012,21:19
took me 2 days hard digging the "dry stone " wall was on concrete footings !
Posted by DNgroundworks on 06 Mar. 2012,21:22Looks like the dry stone wall is still there michael?
Posted by michaelthegardener on 06 Mar. 2012,21:27yep i took bits down to put the fence posts in then put the wall back ;)
Posted by mickg on 06 Mar. 2012,22:31nice and neat job Michael
Posted by DNgroundworks on 06 Mar. 2012,22:35Nice job
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 06 Mar. 2012,23:14very tidy work michael
what kind of boards have you used there?
Posted by michaelthegardener on 06 Mar. 2012,23:260.900 x 150 feather edge 100x100 posts 75x50 rails and 150 gravel boards all pressure treated as is the shed but ive not put that up yet
Posted by Pablo on 07 Mar. 2012,19:59Took a sabatical last week to sort a few small jobs out and got back onto this on Monday. Apologies for the picture quality just because I've bought a decent camera doesn't mean I'll have the sense to remember to take it to work.
Need to get it pointed but with the weather it'll either be slurried or 2 part resined. Hopefully get the kerbs and steps pointed tomorrow and make a start on the retainers and planters and archways.
Posted by DNgroundworks on 07 Mar. 2012,20:09For a country that is supposed to be ruined your not half bangin out some smart jobs for the winter time, nice stuff Pablo, is your work for design companies and the like or direct to you?
Posted by Pablo on 07 Mar. 2012,20:16I used to do a lot of work for designers but I don't anymore I got fed up carrying the can for budget overspends and they always complicate simple problems and feel the need to fill areas with pointless features that never get used. I do all my own stuff now and try and keep things simple that way the client can maximise it's usage. It's the republic thats shagged half of all the workforce up here are civil servants so they're keeping the country afloat.
Posted by Dave_L on 07 Mar. 2012,21:21Some lovely work there Pablo, making the best of the kind weather I reckon!
Posted by Carberry on 07 Mar. 2012,21:31Great looking work, shame about the camera
Posted by mickg on 07 Mar. 2012,21:39excellent work pablo
Posted by michaelthegardener on 08 Mar. 2012,22:35put the shed up today
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 08 Mar. 2012,22:37nice michael,what happening to the old shed and all the other bits and bobs?
you want to get that job in your portfolio
Posted by Kuts on 08 Mar. 2012,23:19
Posted by Kuts on 08 Mar. 2012,23:30
im still new to this so if any pic dont show.......ima tw@t
this pic wont show?
il try again
Posted by michaelthegardener on 08 Mar. 2012,23:41
old sheds going as soon as its empty then i can see what its actually sitting on. the other bits of wood on the path are going to be a raised bed that will hopefully last a few years it was going to be sleepers but there not to sure they will actually use it for veg as they plan so didnt want to spend to much if they never got round to it
its actually my sisters place so im not getting paid but her husband is going to service me van! still i dont mind theyve gpt a 6 month old son so at least the garden will be a little safer when hes a bit older and out there playing
Posted by Kuts on 08 Mar. 2012,23:53
a few sets
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 Mar. 2012,01:09welcome to the world of online images kuts
tidy work there fella
Posted by cookiewales on 09 Mar. 2012,07:27Nice work kits there a bugger them Manchester splitters I prefer the grit stone big mothers Tarmac looks good I don't touch it got my fingers burnt many years ago Xmas eve never again
Posted by Dave_L on 09 Mar. 2012,07:33Sweet looking bitmac Kuts, machine laid?
Posted by local patios and driveways on 09 Mar. 2012,08:33Im itching to lay some setts!
Posted by Kuts on 09 Mar. 2012,12:46Thanks lads.
Those setts were a ball ache, you gotta be a machine to lay them
No Dave both are hand laid.
Posted by Dave_L on 09 Mar. 2012,13:22Welllll....thats a bloody damn fine finish you've got there Kuts, well done.
Posted by Pablo on 09 Mar. 2012,18:42looking good Kuts whoever sorted the setts into grades earned their money the courses are good. What stone is it there's some whoppers in there.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 Mar. 2012,19:24new job started this week , little bit of hand digging in blue clay
dug out in 8 hours by hand and 3 cube of crete poured at 3pm today,quite a productive week
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 Mar. 2012,19:24new job started this week , little bit of hand digging in blue clay
dug out in 8 hours by hand and 3 cube of crete poured at 3pm today,quite a productive week
Posted by local patios and driveways on 09 Mar. 2012,20:35Thats some fast digging tony
Micro digger = 3 hours. - hard graft = easy labour, no bad back
Im all maths tonight
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 Mar. 2012,20:59that gaunt clay is so easy i started off with the spade but soon started using the shovel,2 lads on the barrows struggle to keep up
BCO came out and gave an ultimatum
either dig to 1.9m,or rip out 5m of hedging already 6m away that belongs to the neighbour
its such a shame that the BCOs cant just use common sense
everything is by the book
dan had a digger guy look at it and we would still have had to cut the 125mm of concrete out,plus there were assorted fence posts and a live oil line to watch for , plus the usual piss-poor access
I like getting diggers on jobs as its usually dig by 10 and pour at 1 but if its tight its tight
Posted by Pablo on 09 Mar. 2012,22:06Tony if I ever worked for you we'd be having a boxing match by tea break I've gone soft in my dotage but I like your style doing that all the time would keep your back strong. Blue clay was probably a bit smelly was it.
Posted by Carberry on 09 Mar. 2012,22:22
Digging by hand = keeping fit = more money when you get naked for hens
Booked out every weekend for next 5 weeks now.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 Mar. 2012,22:34digging is fun for me
dunno why but i enjoy it
same with pointing,love that too
I always get a machine in where there is access but if there aint out comes bullseye my trusted friend
going to the allotment tomorrow, for some digging fun
Posted by local patios and driveways on 09 Mar. 2012,22:38Lmao, you are going digging on your day off tony? Haha love it. Bit of pointing on sunday maybe?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 09 Mar. 2012,22:45i'll be pointing at the guinness pump on sunday
Posted by local patios and driveways on 09 Mar. 2012,23:00Church it is then, enjoy!
Posted by Dave_L on 10 Mar. 2012,09:14Wonderful, I love seeing Tony's hand-digging jobs, lovely work, neat and tidy. Good on you.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 16 Mar. 2012,00:09cracked on got the footings in drains done and oversite concreted
did a lift of brickwork today and hopefully my compadres will do the blockwork tomorrow as i am off for the weekend *louts in to europe*
Posted by local patios and driveways on 16 Mar. 2012,08:04Youve done brickwork before! Looks great
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 16 Mar. 2012,22:16Cracking bit of progress for a week tony.
Posted by Kuts on 16 Mar. 2012,22:35Nice an tidy work there LLL.
Posted by mickg on 17 Mar. 2012,08:52nice work there Luton
them youngen's dont understand that in days gone bye everything was hand dug and wagon's unloaded by hand too . . but that was in the days when men were men and we just got on with it without any moaning
Posted by Injured on 17 Mar. 2012,09:34I understand and I still do hand digging and move stuff by hand.
Sometimes the machines can do more damage than good.
Posted by cookiewales on 17 Mar. 2012,09:55
i but you do have a old head on young shoulders
Posted by Injured on 17 Mar. 2012,12:28Thanks Cookie
Posted by Pablo on 22 Mar. 2012,20:57This early spring has caught me off guard and had to spend last week away planting trees that I was going to do week before easter but got them in and was back to this on monday. Built the sleeper wall over the last few days and pointed the paving today I'm happy with how it's starting to look. Next week is the concrete car wash a mowing edge and then planting so fingers crossed for this weather to hold up.
Posted by rab1 on 22 Mar. 2012,21:23It looks no bad Paul. Is it your design?
Posted by DNgroundworks on 22 Mar. 2012,21:56Very smart, what is the jointing?
Posted by Pablo on 22 Mar. 2012,22:50Yes Rab I designed it the pointing is standard 3-1 slurry that has been tooled up I'll brush the excess wee bits you see off in the morning once it's dry. It was a top day for slurrying the weather was warm and calm and it turned out very well. I was going to use Rompox D1 but it was to expensive I used 680kg of sand and cement which would be 27 bags of it and would've cost about a grand less vat and labour whereas this cost about £250 inc labour and is totally bombproof and only took 4 hrs. Nae bad is nae gid is it nae.
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 22 Mar. 2012,23:51looks great that pablo
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 23 Mar. 2012,00:07when you say slurry do you mean out of a gun or brushed in ?
looking better every photo
only thing for me is that pergola being off centre with the circle looks odd?
would have loved to have learnt more about planting but never had the opportunity to work with landscapers
bet the clients are happy
Posted by mickg on 23 Mar. 2012,00:18nice job Pablo
Posted by mickg on 23 Mar. 2012,00:26Latest job completed
The new brick wall, lawn and driveway completed, the driveway is constructed using Marshalls Drivesett Duo block paving with a complimentary block paving border detail
A circular detail incorporated into the Blue brick edging to the driveway and lawn
A circular detail constructed around the tree using a blue brick edging and block paving cut to shape
A complete front garden and driveway transformation with a new fence, new lawn and garden boundary wall using colours to compliment the new driveway
The new Marshalls Fairstone golden sand multi patio
< Driveways Leyland >
Posted by Dave_L on 23 Mar. 2012,00:57All very nice Mick. Well done to all involved.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 23 Mar. 2012,08:02nice job , nice copings mick
tell me the stepping stones weren't your idea?
I wish i could design stuff like you and pablo
Posted by mickg on 23 Mar. 2012,08:18thank you Dave
it was having a brick on edge as a coping and pillar cap but I talked the customer into something better. at first I had ordered terracotta pillar caps and copings at a cost of £940 and a 16 week wait for the 2 brick square pillar caps so we located a company only 6 miles from where the job is and they were made to order in 4 days
no the stepping stone were already in the lawn, all I did was to raise the height of the lawn to come flush with the patio instead of having a step
Posted by local patios and driveways on 23 Mar. 2012,09:17Its a bit gypsy wedding for my liking but top standard of work mick as always. Those copers look great, and i like the detail behind the pier, that double curve is hassle and many would take the simple route
Posted by Bob_A on 23 Mar. 2012,10:17Top quality workmanship
Talking of caps what do you think of these.
At that price they won't be top quality, more expensive than council types but still affordable.
< http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch....d=p3692 >
They also do copings to match
Off ebay they are known as Hornsey Mouldings
< http://castoflondon.com/contact.html >
Posted by haggistini on 23 Mar. 2012,12:17Nice work boyos what's the blocks mick in the circle mick!
Posted by London Stone Paving on 23 Mar. 2012,12:39That job looks superb Pablo. Bet the clients are over the moon with that one.
Lovely work as well Mick G.
Posted by ambient on 24 Mar. 2012,13:44quality work as always mick are the stone flags sawn
Posted by Carberry on 25 Mar. 2012,06:13That looks great Paul. Only thing I'm not sure on is the path, hard to say from the photos but that edging might be too much for the width of the path.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 25 Mar. 2012,08:31did you split the blue staffs on those borders mick?
what made you use bricks?
rather than kerbs?
Posted by mickg on 25 Mar. 2012,10:34the small block within the circles are tobermore mayfair granite setts which were the nearest match to the argent light border, I have asked and asked many times can Marshalls start to manufacture small units in complimentary colours of their existing paving to allow us to use their products to create details like tight radius circles
yeah the flags are Marshalls fairstone sawn paving
the pillar caps and copings are similar to those I used Bob, I looked everywhere and it was the customer who found the company on our doorstep
the blue staffs are full bricks to the edge of the driveway from the wall up to the house including the full circle adjacent to the front of the house to give lateral restraint to the driveway, the rest we split
I used the bricks to give a different detail and colour instead of the convential tumbled kerbs or keykerb either large or small plus I needed to have a square edge both sides where the circle wraps into the lawn and also where the paving is flush with the grass too otherwise the turf would of butted up to a shamfer or pencil round curve if I had used a small keykerb meaning the turf would not be flush with the top so the lawn mower can skim accross hence giving a bad detail for maintaining the grass.
I could of achieved the same flush finish with drivesett tumbled kerbs but I have used thoses for years and it ends up with the drivesways all looking similar - thinking outside the box
Posted by DNgroundworks on 25 Mar. 2012,11:05New sprinter there Mick?
Posted by mickg on 25 Mar. 2012,11:08Yeah I bought it June last year but only got round to getting it kitted out and on the road just after Christmas
Posted by Dave_L on 25 Mar. 2012,17:33This gives a better perspective to the job and the access....
Posted by Dave_L on 25 Mar. 2012,17:35Are these recent pics of mine too big?? I'm having "technical difficulties" with ma phone atm
Posted by DNgroundworks on 25 Mar. 2012,17:39Im sure ive seen those photo's before?
Posted by Dave_L on 25 Mar. 2012,18:18
Arse....I couldn't find them, did wonder if I'd posted them before.
I'll delete them!
Posted by Dave_L on 25 Mar. 2012,18:23Just about got it as far as we could so it wasn't too far to track it in with the digger. Thank god the weather is good at the moment.
Bringing the surface course in with the bobcat Tues/Weds this week, that's gonna be a fiddly job.
Posted by mickg on 25 Mar. 2012,18:56I have not seen these photos before Dave
Posted by cookiewales on 25 Mar. 2012,20:18Tidy work there Mick plus them stafs are nearly bomb proof
Posted by mickg on 25 Mar. 2012,20:34thank you cookie
I knew I had forgot another reason, I used the blues because the brick has to be frost proof having them in the ground
Posted by r896neo on 26 Mar. 2012,17:46I was digging out for a new path alongside a recent extension and had a game of what i like to call new build bingo.
Lucozade bottle - Check
Scraps of pipe insulation - Check
Electrical cable off cuts - Check
Bands from bails of block - Bingo!!!!
Posted by Dave_L on 26 Mar. 2012,18:46Ha so true those four items always seem to come to the surface during any digging work!!!!
Posted by Carberry on 26 Mar. 2012,18:58
I fixed a driveway once, 85 year old pensioners got taken for £8000 for 30m2 of monoblocking.
They put in a linear channel in front of his garage, left it filled with sand and instead of using a proper 45 degree pipe they had just twisted a volvic bottle and glued it on, and that was the least of their problems
Posted by Stuarty on 26 Mar. 2012,21:35dont forget marbles and golf balls, and the occaisonal toy car
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 26 Mar. 2012,21:49My new job for this month whole garden revamp including outbuilding and outdoor fire place enjoy
Posted by Kuts on 26 Mar. 2012,22:18Nice work there boys.
I never seem to get a client who wants to spend money on a nice finish, it's always "what's the cheapest blocks, edgings...."
Keep your eye on the roller man Dave, last thing you need is a nice long green scrape down that render:D
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 26 Mar. 2012,23:04nice block work mr.pink
in picture 2 is that the 22mm gas pipe you have loaded your blocks against?
and although technically correct ,your block corner is a waste of blocks
if you cut a block and get a 330 and a 110 you use these together to get half bond,then 2 whole ones above
your 100mm trick works but you end up wasting blocks
site looks neat and tidy
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 26 Mar. 2012,23:09Can't see where you mean tony but I can asure you there is no gas pipe around we are at th end end of the garden. Cheers
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 27 Mar. 2012,07:07in picture2 low down on the existing wall to the right hand side?
looks pretty much like our sites
only other thing is i like the blocks stacked in 4's rather than 2's
they are ok stacked like that but if you cut one you can get cracked ones below
nice work dan
Posted by cookiewales on 27 Mar. 2012,20:10Today's work hard day in the office 66 liner meters 3course bands granite sets 12ton aprox only 25 m straight the rest free hand total m2 26 m2 all uphill Clapton could play a tune on my ham strings < http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx67/cookiewales/2d202150.jpg >
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Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 27 Mar. 2012,22:02You seem to like the silos cookie are they cost effective on domestic work ?
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 27 Mar. 2012,22:06
Sorry tony having a blonde moment there that is a water pipe for a outdoor tap with regards to the block stacking could you see how tight it was down there ! Oh the joys
Posted by Dave_L on 27 Mar. 2012,22:12
On jobs that size and quantity I'd say they pay dividends.
Posted by cookiewales on 28 Mar. 2012,05:50
They work out at £64 ton @4/1 silo holds 30ton but you can get 8 ton ones no messing no waste no dust and no mixing press the button and consistent mix how you want it
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 28 Mar. 2012,07:20we have tried to get 2 silos but they need a good swing for access which they didnt have
lovely work cookie
bet you earnt a few quids though eh?
Posted by cookiewales on 28 Mar. 2012,09:59
MakesUp for the rainy days I broke my record but was12 hour shift
Posted by Carberry on 28 Mar. 2012,10:13Never used a silo before. What size area do you need to site one and what would be the minimum area being paved where it is worth getting in a silo?
Posted by cookiewales on 28 Mar. 2012,13:103mx3m for big silo hard standing min normal 50 ton which would lay 250m2 plus
Ps they do have 8 ton silo you could place in your yard and use as you need
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 28 Mar. 2012,16:41who has the 8 tonne ones cookie?
we were looking at 20 tonne of red mortar mix which would lay 18000 bricks plus all the block and roofwork
but they couldnt get the swing to offload it
8 tonne would be ample for most small extensions, thing is you have to site it
Posted by ambient on 28 Mar. 2012,18:38this is one we did a couple of weeks ago
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Posted by Carberry on 28 Mar. 2012,19:01I was scrolling down the photos thinking that looks really nice, then I saw the tarmac and it ruined it for me
Posted by Kuts on 28 Mar. 2012,19:06Did a nice job of the Tarmac, do you get people in or do you do it yourself?
Posted by cookiewales on 28 Mar. 2012,19:15
CPI mortar mix go on there web site they have them on there cheers cookie
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 28 Mar. 2012,20:05cheers mickey from eurocell didnt mention any thing smaller
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 28 Mar. 2012,20:09nice work tony
like the border and tarmac but not keen on the circle
execution is perfect ,but just too bling for me
Posted by Dave_L on 28 Mar. 2012,20:10I like that block/tar mix, not too much of one or the other. That would have taken some laying and tidying up around the edges. You'd have needed some good rake hands there. Nice job.
Posted by DNgroundworks on 30 Mar. 2012,21:48A quick photo of the job we are on at the minute....we have been here years lol, all the road has gone in since i last posted pictures, the tarmac gang finished today, took them two days and 250t of tarmac. The job has taken 3000 tonnes of aggregate so far in MOT, crush, drainage stone etc
All services in, bt, electric, 3 phase, ground source heat, fibre optics, electro magnetic loop for the gates, 3 lots of water gas, plus 3000m of land drainage.
Lake, gabions and pier done, cut and fill nearly done.
ill get pics of the 50k gateway tommorow ;)
Just on next doors at the min which is a big barn that another building outfit has done, we have got the muck shifting work at the mo, and im doing the landscaping, lots of upright oak sleepers etc.
The big house you see caught fire last year so it has been de-listed and will be demolished and moved along with the little cottage, the pics of the lake i posted are at the other side of the house, the barn that has been refurbed is just out of shot.
Next up is a 1000m square steel frame workshop.
I must admit i do enjoy this sort of work much more than laying driveways etc.
Posted by DNgroundworks on 30 Mar. 2012,22:06Another one i managed to take before my phone battery died.
Its a mini substation where the 3 phase comes down the field and up into this, Electric board specd a red brick building with a flat roof.....this didnt fit the customers agenda lol, built out of block with cavity, stone and cedar clad
Posted by local patios and driveways on 30 Mar. 2012,22:36Lovely stone work, especially considering what the building is for.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 30 Mar. 2012,23:24nice work dan
i like a bit of variety at work,but having said that i have 50m2 of sandstone to lay monday courtesy of london stone
Posted by DNgroundworks on 31 Mar. 2012,09:26Aye its all good, and had kept me going through the winter, the building pictured isnt my work i just put the little raft in for it, i just thought it was a nice little thing to show you fellas
I might get a load of pics of all the bits of the job and put it in a seperate thread.
Posted by cookiewales on 31 Mar. 2012,21:26shame about the tarmac stone setts would have been more suitble and looked better
Posted by DNgroundworks on 31 Mar. 2012,21:47As it happens Cookie i spent an afternoon with the customer on the laptop showing him your site, it all sounded as if he was going to ring you, the tar from the road is a dead staright drive 300mtrs long x 3 mtrs then the same again in a horse shoe shape down the bottom. But i think after buying up all the land surrounding the property and spending nigh on a mil and he hasnt started the house/cottage or workshop yet i dont think the budget would stretch!
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 31 Mar. 2012,22:05What size tracked dumper is that looks like a 10-12 tonner, I love our 5 ton one goes anywhere and less damage than your boots make.
Posted by cookiewales on 01 April 2012,07:47
would have increased the value at the end thanks for trying gravel whacked into lean mix would have looked good with the stone edging
Posted by DNgroundworks on 01 April 2012,16:1312 tonne giles, it has a steering wheel, never seen one like this before, we did have an 8t swivel tip takeuchi tracked dumper before christmas, that was cool, you steered it with the left hand lever and operated the skip with your right.
Gravel whacked into leanmix, how dya mean Cookie? Or i have i missed a joke lol
Posted by msh paving on 01 April 2012,17:43
screed lean mix as you would for paving, spread a layer of say 14mm gravel over area then run plate over it,very similar idea to tar and chip but far better job, MSH
Posted by DNgroundworks on 01 April 2012,18:33You learn something new everyday eh, ive never heard of that, and what is the point of it like?
Posted by msh paving on 01 April 2012,18:59quick cheap, non maintance paving, no weeds no re gravel
Posted by London Stone Paving on 01 April 2012,19:14
Nice clean job though Stewart
Posted by DNgroundworks on 01 April 2012,19:57MSH, does it all stay in place? Anyone have any photos of such an installation, im intrigued now
Posted by rab1 on 01 April 2012,20:14you can see this type of finish at a lot of new build uni's etc.
Posted by local patios and driveways on 01 April 2012,21:23Ive never heard of that either, any pics?
Posted by msh paving on 01 April 2012,21:23dont think i have any pix but it looks just like gravel....
Posted by Carberry on 01 April 2012,21:48
Yes. Well done, I just don't like the look at all.
Posted by seanandruby on 02 April 2012,08:50A lot of the uni's and colleges we do are resin bonded.
Posted by cookiewales on 02 April 2012,10:20
It stops the gravel migrating you still top it of with loose gravel binds it together allways do it that way keeps drive looking tidy
Posted by rimexboy on 02 April 2012,17:51i love to have a flick in this thread when ive got the time to do so its great seeing the jobs you guys and girls are getting..
but i also have to say i love the pictures so more of them please!!!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 02 April 2012,18:05pushed on at shillington
dug out patio,client wanted a new rockery so she got her heap of mud
flat roofs rebuilt on both garages,and new flat roofs
load of crush delivered
the aftermath of the implants
sub base installed and wacked
some end of line stone from london stone turned up as advertised==> cheers steve
got this far in 4 hours
large unit coursed work is definitely the way forward speed and cost wise
the patio as usual is an afterthought,but when we have finished our building work there will be zero access to the back garden so we have tried to keep the costs as tight as possible
all suggestions welcome
Posted by rimexboy on 02 April 2012,19:47come on tony just pictures of the work tut tut tut:(
Posted by haggistini on 02 April 2012,19:52Looks good boyos.... Not fussed on LLL's breast implant photos tho ;)
I have been rushed off my feet since starting my new job. I'll post pics shortly of hundreds of 2by2's ,Tarmac, rafts,excavations,building gypsys kitchens and bathroom units, road resurfacing, road building, dropping kerbs , building extentions and industrial units.... oh and I start 600m2 of clay paviours tomorrow for 15 houses working to other peoples edges and base
The quality of workmanship is fast if I'm polite and I'm missing my usual attention to detail. The paving was sett out for 2400mm x 4800mm bays using standard 200x100 cbp but now they are using blockleys clays 210x105mm blocks so that should be fun tomorrow! We have picked up a very nice pennant stone inset with granite on the steps and pennant wall clading using clips and surrounding Paving is in pennant all sawn 6 sides from the Forrest of dean.
Posted by haggistini on 02 April 2012,19:57And it's the main entrance to our old town hall of Merthyr tydfil
Posted by Pablo on 02 April 2012,20:05Tony you should've got some botox on the crows feet whilst you were at it.;-)
Posted by London Stone Paving on 02 April 2012,20:28Nice fangs Luton
Hows the stone, its been sat in the yard for quite a while?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 02 April 2012,20:33all good steve,be done by dinner time tomorrow
the coursed work is defo the way forward
as for the fangs you cant really see it but i must have had 35mm of swelling both sides,which has gone down a fair bit now
now its just the 20 stitches that are irritating
Posted by London Stone Paving on 02 April 2012,21:48Had a bit of dental surgery myself recently. 4 fillings and a replacemnt back tooth. Had to have root canal which wasnt much fun. Need to try and look after them a bit more now.
Posted by Kuts on 02 April 2012,21:51That's what I'm gonna recommend on flagging jobs now, I hate doing random and think coursed looks far superior.
What do you guys think is the smallest area you can do coursed on?
I'm needing a wisdom tooth out soon......joy
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 02 April 2012,22:01
900 by 600mm
i reckon it looks far more contemporary
plus all the setting out is done at 570 therefore keeping all the joints at 8-12 mm
i hate seeing those 35 mm joints that crop up with random followed by 2 fag papers
Posted by London Stone Paving on 02 April 2012,22:07
Doesnt really matter because you can just go for a smaller size, like 600x300
Posted by Mikey_C on 03 April 2012,19:54that crushed looks rough, some big old lumps in it.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 03 April 2012,20:30mikey i wish i had a quid for every time i said "i will never buy crusher run again"
its from sid bradshaws own crusher and i have seen the pile of gear waiting to go in it,at least its all aggregate and not mud or timber
saved £150 on a very tight p roject
Posted by Mikey_C on 03 April 2012,21:13
in the back of my mind I think that why I said something. that and the fact I it not your usual choice, but a budget is a budget!!
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 03 April 2012,22:21A few updates from this week
Posted by local patios and driveways on 03 April 2012,22:30Looks good pp. im suprised to see those upright sleepers not going deeper. Will they last?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 03 April 2012,22:34nice work mr.pink
looks like we both have estwing brick hammers
the hammer of champions
your poor club hammer though......
are the wavy curves freestyle?
Posted by Kuts on 03 April 2012,22:36How much you pay for those sleepers? I've been offered a load for a fiver each
Posted by Pablo on 03 April 2012,22:39Looking good mr Pink you have the patience of a saint when it comes to pointed wavy kerbs I salute you.
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 03 April 2012,22:54
The paving is coming up 150mm in front and the soil halfway up behind
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 03 April 2012,22:59
Use that hammer everyday tony all freestyle the curves in that run you see there is 175 bullnose I screeded layed the pavers first then the kerbs just in time before the rain I have the same to do for the next three days
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 03 April 2012,23:00
They were £18 each.
Posted by cookiewales on 04 April 2012,07:00Nice work ther boys ps it's not the hammer it's the man that's using it but good tools are the best . Had some good luck this week mislaid granite pitching chissel £100 plus to replace client found it in flower bed happy days
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 04 April 2012,16:51birdseye view
one for mickg and haggi
people who cut circles in flags really have no life
from the garden
I might try mr.pink's 3:1 plastering sand mix in the gun for the pointing,the client started asking about easipoint but i want to get it pointed before easter
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 04 April 2012,17:11He who dares Rodney he who dares
Posted by rimexboy on 04 April 2012,18:21Very nice LLL
Posted by London Stone Paving on 04 April 2012,19:58Looks smashing that does Luton. Glad that you've finally seen the light with the single sizes. I think a sett edge between the patio and the lawn would have finished it off, but very very nice
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 04 April 2012,20:15me too steve, but it was all done with budget in mind!
there must be someone within a 15 mile radius of luton who wants to employ us for 10 years and just say "money is no object"
I do know 1 builder who this more or less happened to and he has done 12 million quids worth of work to 1 very large house and estate over 15 years
its more or less set him up for life
not much to ask for is it?
IMHO the autumn brown are a much better flag than mint
much harder and better looking
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 05 April 2012,16:39
he who dares has it all squirted in by 11am but has to wait till 2.30 pm to strike it del-boy
cheap as chips,
3 bags of plastering sand 1.5 bags of cement and 6 sachets of feb
about a tenner for material opposed to £150
knocked up in the mixer
easy to use
even tiny bits of grit in the sand block the gun
happened maybe 20 times
takes forever to go off
finish is not as smooth as easipoint or soft sand
we covered the whole thing with hessian when done ( N.B. MSH frost tonight) so wont know the full S.P. till tomorrow,when officially i am off work but may pop out to remover the hessian
Posted by Carberry on 05 April 2012,18:19That looks good LLL. Good to see single size done in courses, I'm sick of seeing random sizes and pattern everywhere
Posted by Forestboy1978 on 05 April 2012,19:01That looks awesome LLL!
Did you get that drain cut around in one attempt? How the hell did you do that?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 05 April 2012,19:31I wanted an inset cover,but was told just to use the one given to save cost
so i cut that in about 20 minutes with careful measuring and a steady hand
lots of small individual cuts 3 mm apart then snapped off
PITA but there ya go
Posted by Bob_A on 05 April 2012,20:36
Was there a reason to use Feb in packets rather than liquid plasticiser.
I don't know much about different type of sands. What's different about plastering sand, could you have not used soft sand instead of plastering sand?
As regards lumps I read that using something like this is a good idea as the grade of sand used is very uniform
< http://www.diy.com/nav....9273109 >
Posted by Dave_L on 05 April 2012,20:38If you've been offered clean sleepers for a fiver each and they're not covered in tar etc then thats very very cheap!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 05 April 2012,20:50for some reason the coarser aggregate in plastering sand goes through the gun fine
have tried soft sand in the past and its a huge fail,just separates in the gun and jams
really the plastering sand knocked up at circa 2.5:1 will be a lot stronger than bricklaying mortar
if i did it again i would make it a teeny bit stiffer
Posted by digerjones on 05 April 2012,21:14whats kiln dried sand lie through the gun
Posted by Kuts on 05 April 2012,21:56
They are reclaimed but the few iv had are spot on.
Anyone can pm me and I'll sort them out in Leeds (donations for a drink is welcome)
That's some nice work
Posted by Al Jardin on 05 April 2012,22:19
Somone once reccomended using lime to aid plasticity with gim's.
Not tried that yet but have some paving coming up.
Posted by mickg on 05 April 2012,22:30nice work Luton
Posted by Pablo on 05 April 2012,22:33Ay Tony you're wasted a a brickie it's very tidy looking did you cut that tight curve out with your new teeth money well spent if you did.:-)
Posted by DNgroundworks on 05 April 2012,23:27Gim's - thats a new one, Them sleepers sound a steal, buy em!! We weighed some scrap in once and after a bit of a haggle the scrap man he swapped us for a big pallet of what he reckoned where nasty old sleepers, we took them to a wood yard, they turned out to be burmese teak - £30.00 a foot and we had nearly 50 of them 8 foot long.....for two hundred quids worth of scrap!
we had them sawn up and built a pier into a lake and a quay side effect boarding jobby out of them down one side of it:cool:
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 06 April 2012,00:37
aye there a lot of women looking out for me now
Posted by local patios and driveways on 06 April 2012,09:57
Ha ha that did tickle me this morning!
Great job tony, you should go on paving expert
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 06 April 2012,11:43whats that some new site??
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 06 April 2012,12:57took the hessian off this morning and pointing looks not bad
close up,slightly rougher finish than easipoint
i guess the pointing will go lighter over the weekend
IMHO I would rather use easipoint if the job allows for it but mr.pinks plastering sand jollop definitely works and at 20p /M2 material its a winner for those with limited funds
Posted by dig dug dan on 06 April 2012,17:24tony, if you ever need easipoint in a hurry, my mate at redbourn sells it. I think its sandstone.
saves on haulage costs!
Posted by Dave_L on 10 April 2012,07:32Reduce dig, cart away and footings for a local builder
Posted by Dave_L on 10 April 2012,07:38Unearthed a large underground rainwater tank!
Broke the walls down to top of footings after Building Inspector go-ahead and mass filled it with crete
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 10 April 2012,08:55bigger pic of that fendt dave please ;)
what depth are the footings like 300? but you are a good way down, is it having a basement etc what the big overdig for
looks nice firm ground
be careful sean will be around saying that edge should be piled, you should have fencing and fall air bags, that gable should be braced, has that concrete driver been signed in and inducted? haha ;)
Posted by Dave_L on 10 April 2012,14:27Very sandy ground wouldn't want to work in it when wet!
Only a baby Fendt but very handy, couldn't get wagons as close to the dig as we got the tractor.
FFL is a metre lower than existing ground level, they are building onto existing buildings.
I'll sort the missing pic later
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 13 April 2012,00:50Getting there.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 13 April 2012,07:42some very tidy brickwork and scratch coat there mr.pink
that void and opening has got us intrigued
looks very much like one of our jobs in general
Posted by local patios and driveways on 13 April 2012,09:20Outdoor fireplace, so en vogue at the moment. Although maybe a little ironically pointless
Posted by Mikey_C on 13 April 2012,09:34
I just thought it was f***king big letter box
Posted by andpartington on 13 April 2012,13:16the left had mixer must be a sod to move
or is it an ant pikey measure ?
Posted by DNgroundworks on 13 April 2012,17:12This weeks job, haul road to the edge of a forrest, 500t of Crush. Apparently the larch trees have a disease so the entire fell needs to be cleared, they have already chopped down 10000 tonnes of timber they reckon the same again is to come out, ive never seen so many logs! They also have a machine, a harvester which literally harvests the buggers!
First up...the road in
Next a Giles style pic
The decimated hillside....they have only just started here as well!
Next...if you look at the center of the pic then up a bit you can see in the distance an absolutley massive pile of logs, it will be 50ft high and half a mile long (ish)
This is, as ive learnt a "forwarder"
Lovely place to work..the forrest of Bowland....or soon to be just Bowland lol
I quite like this job, there will be another few miles of roads the forestry lads reckon, ill try and sneak some pictures of the harvester, we can hear it roaring away in the woods like a bloody monster but can see it!
Posted by DNgroundworks on 13 April 2012,17:14Try that one again.
Posted by DNgroundworks on 13 April 2012,17:16ah shit, whys it doing that, its fine when i copy the link?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 13 April 2012,17:18
good to see you have the fairy out or the lads to wash their hands before tea break
Posted by London Stone Paving on 13 April 2012,19:35
Thats a perfect space for an outside telly
Posted by specialbranch on 13 April 2012,19:53Been on a nice little low maintenance back garden this week, Indian Stone patio, decking and sleeper beds, astroturf and a waterfeature. The photos were taken within an hour and we had Sunshine rain and snow.Good old temperate climate, always intersting!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 13 April 2012,20:47nice work there SB ,wish i could do landscaping
Posted by rab1 on 13 April 2012,22:18looks sweet, nice work.
Posted by Kuts on 13 April 2012,23:01Nice work SB, How did you fasten the AstroTurf down?
Posted by seanandruby on 14 April 2012,08:26
No he won't, it should be stepped / battered though
Posted by specialbranch on 14 April 2012,11:17
We just set a 4"x2" tanalised frame in some gobbo and haunch it then galvanised fencing staples. Its a nice heavy turf, our regular supplier let us down and I spent ages sourcing some decent stuff at a good price, I was on my way on a 60mile round trip to get some and by chance walked to the Carpet shop 200 yards from home and he stocks loads of it and was looking for an installer as he has done loads of marketing on it and had no one to fit it, so it was a good find.
Posted by haggistini on 14 April 2012,17:18
Looks like some fun to be had there on a trials bike can I have the key to the gate one Sunday dan and the Machine key?
Posted by DNgroundworks on 14 April 2012,18:27yea no sweat, that is actually a public footpath, you can see the foot bridge in the bottom, hikers actually walk through that lot!!
Lots of mountain bikers round these hills.
Posted by haggistini on 14 April 2012,19:05We are the scourge of rambler types as they seem to think they have more rights to our countryside. We are bit noisy but better in bed!
Posted by seanandruby on 15 April 2012,18:56
No he won't but he will say: it should of been stepped/battered
Posted by Pablo on 16 April 2012,20:32
Thats because they do Haggi everytime someone uses one on public or private land without consent then they're breaking the law. The last person I ever lost it with was a scambler who was ruining a perfectly peaceful days trout fishing and hit my dog to boot. Needless to say on his next lap he and his bike got the good news and he had to push his bike with a flat for a couple of miles over untacked moorland.
Posted by Pablo on 16 April 2012,21:02
Just for you Giles this is my uncles 2 day old Fendt 828 I snapped when I was over visiting the family in scotland last week. Ready to start grain drilling today he gets a new one every year at this time(tax writeoff don't believe any beef and grain farmer who pleads poverty). GPS controled steering and throttle for the big fields I had a wee spin but my dog wasn't that impressed.
On another note I was feeling flush today aswell and bought 2 new Heamerlins at £34 a pop which isn't quite in the same league tax wise as the fendt but it'll have to do for now.
Posted by Dave_L on 16 April 2012,21:11Nice barras Pabs!
Posted by Pablo on 16 April 2012,21:33Thanks I thought so to :-)
Posted by rab1 on 16 April 2012,21:34seat cover on the tractor...?, Paul did you take the wife out for a run?. tell the truth.
Posted by Pablo on 16 April 2012,21:41
Rab I had to change out of my gardening gear before he let me in the blooming thing a tractor can't stay clean forever but he'll try for as long as he can.
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 16 April 2012,22:35whoop whoop more of that please hehe
rab1 at about 110k id be keeping the seat cover on and my fendt overalls clean as well hehe
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 17 April 2012,01:03i guess its all about acreage pablo
the farmer we are working for now reckons under 500 acres of arable and you cant make a living
corn apparently is the same price it was in 1992
the haemerlins are nice barrows but a little wider than some which can be a pain with bad access
Posted by Carberry on 17 April 2012,08:14
That will be because of US corn subsidies.
I rent my yard from a pig farmer, he isn't short on cash.
Posted by haggistini on 17 April 2012,10:10Try cookies trollnor barrows you want it's like holding on to a bull 7 full barrows is a tonne! Oohff I miss them beauties .
Posted by haggistini on 17 April 2012,10:12Nice traaactaar BTW!
Posted by local patios and driveways on 17 April 2012,10:24You boys need to up your game, these barrows are the nuts. Plus each part is replacable. Keep the frame add a new bucket etc siteblazer is the kit
< http://www.frontgate.co.uk/acatalo....es.html >
They are available for less if you look around
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 17 April 2012,15:50barrows last fine unless lazy sods dont clean them out each night
i spoke to flowjoe and tommy about this last year,where labourers would rather hide stuff dirty than clean it?
Posted by haggistini on 17 April 2012,18:55My misses do's the house I couldn't very well ask her to sort the tools out aswell !
Posted by digerjones on 17 April 2012,20:28what about eazybarrow man, hes the kiddie
Posted by msh paving on 17 April 2012,22:21
Posted by local patios and driveways on 17 April 2012,23:37he will come out from under his barrow now you said his name!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 20 April 2012,18:15new job started yesterday reinforced raft foundation for extension due to main sewer 5M down
easy days digging is pure sand
leanmix and 16mm bars epoxy resined in
steelwork going in tomorrow and c35 crete monday
Posted by haggistini on 20 April 2012,18:28Wastefull yet tastefully done LLL
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 20 April 2012,18:32used 1 tube doing 8 holes and had to crack another tube for 1 hole but such is life
Posted by haggistini on 20 April 2012,18:34Those twist tubes are satisfying to watch new
Posted by haggistini on 22 April 2012,03:33Bored sat in a kx61-3 loading barrows for the boys
Get the tissues Giles
Nice products and fair enough prices for trade!
Posted by Injured on 22 April 2012,21:25Marshalls Elise drive with Fairstone walling and pillars nearing completion.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 22 April 2012,22:54nice work george
not keen on those blocks but the installation looks spot on
Posted by haggistini on 23 April 2012,06:13Looks good big man nice boarder and garage ramp looks spot on!
Posted by stumac49 on 23 April 2012,16:49Hello to whoever's 'online'. I'm a mere mortal DIY bod and I've spent the afternoon (in between actually doing some work - honest!) looking at this 'Recent Work' thread.
I have to pay tribute to all you pros on here for your 'pride-in-your-work' approach and the enthsiasm for what you do that comes across so well on these pages. There are some stunning patios & drives, etc., on show here.
My patio is failing badly - the base has sunk along one edge and brickwork (steps) have started to collapse and I think I'll have to get it sorted this year.
As much as I'd like to give it a go, I don't think my back will allow me to (that and I'd probably take six months or more to complete it!) I can't seem to lay a flag correctly first time, but then I've only just started having a go at doing a path down to my shed.
Anyway back to what I wanted to say. Do the rules of this forum allow me to ask if any of you take on work in the Kent area?
Hope I don't offend anyone by asking.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 23 April 2012,16:58it never hurts to ask stu
off the top of my head i cant think of any one actually in kent
setts is in essex and LPAD in surrey
Posted by stumac49 on 23 April 2012,17:15Thanks 'LLL' (is it Tony?) Sorry for forgetting. You have helped me with answers to some of my daft questions so I should remember.
OK I will ask then: "do any of the regular-forum-posting professionals quote on work in the Kent area?"
I have a patio that needs replacing.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 23 April 2012,17:16from this
in just 3 years
onwards and upwards with the raft
bit for sean to inspect
sore head time
and lastly i was showing a client some CBP displays in luton when i spotted this sett laying
not really selling them is it?
Posted by haggistini on 23 April 2012,19:34Nice pour LLL , sad looking paving The precast slabs faded well and moss has moved the setts!! That display is shite!
Posted by haggistini on 23 April 2012,19:37
If its over 500m2 give me a call!
Posted by cookiewales on 23 April 2012,19:45
the cookie crew are up london way fingers crossed end of june for 3 weeks may have a slot after
Posted by Pablo on 23 April 2012,20:21So how many times did you hit your head on the window Tony? :-). Sad looking circle that I can never understand why clients let their gardens go so quickly after spending so much money. I'd be happy to shell out for that sett laying that quallity work for sure.
Posted by haggistini on 23 April 2012,20:25There you go the 2 best in the country will do it for you . Better phone the bank!..
Posted by haggistini on 23 April 2012,20:33Had another site visit to the town hall today had a good rummage through
I'm gonna save that mosaic some how
Posted by haggistini on 23 April 2012,20:36Sorry for turning your lap tops upside down
Posted by haggistini on 23 April 2012,20:40Still going strong today amazing I will contact them tomorrow as we are supposed to break this out? Like fook !!!
Here's the link < http://www.cravendunnill-jackfield.co.uk/ >
Posted by local patios and driveways on 23 April 2012,20:41if you boys are in the south of london, give me a shout for some southern hospitality. we will let you drink us under the table
Posted by local patios and driveways on 23 April 2012,20:42if you boys are in the south of london, give me a shout for some southern hospitality. we will let you drink us under the table
Posted by haggistini on 23 April 2012,20:44
Posted by London Stone Paving on 24 April 2012,10:52I dont think they go south of the river mate
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 25 April 2012,07:53Been a nice size job. Coming to an end now started turf yesterday seems like its been raining for weeks now can't point yet.
Bracing my self for a grilling
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 25 April 2012,16:36no grilling here
what is that hole in the wall for?
and i would have thought that a firm of your calibre would have moved on to cement in plastic bags by now?
pennies extra but saves a load of grief
looks like a nice job indeed
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 25 April 2012,17:58It's what your builders merchant have though that's the problem ours still on paper bags
Posted by local patios and driveways on 25 April 2012,18:05Looks really good mr pink. Why dont i ever get those kinds of jobs?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 25 April 2012,18:16cos you live sarf of da river dan
e's way aht east
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 25 April 2012,18:38
Got the accent right there tone the hole is for a outdoor fireplace
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 25 April 2012,20:05elite gold limestone floor tiles by london stone been down 2 months and still looking mint
had the engineer out today and we have major structural problems in the latest job built 10 years and 3 months ago around a timber frame
the builders used steels but they rested them on the timber frames
so now we have to put in 205 by 205 45kg goal posts
makes it a challenge
also they had a picture of the original roofer
and the funny thing is i know the guy
Posted by London Stone Paving on 25 April 2012,20:53Anyone who is doing turfing should look at Mr Pinks work, thats a proper job.
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 25 April 2012,22:14
Cheers Steve. I never recieved the sample box
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 25 April 2012,22:33
Regarding the cement tone it's all about cost with me ol man on that job I think we've used near on 120 bags of cement due to knocking up 7 tonnes in the mixer for the footing for the main wall then 5 tonnes went into the raft all in mixer due to access and length of garden.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 25 April 2012,23:24my dad used to think like that but over a year you lose so much cement to moisture and poor storage
the plastic bags you just stack up any place you like
no need to worry about moisture
I can see both sides but its like my old man moaning that bulk bags of building sand have gone up by £2 a tonne?
I'm like wtf?
Posted by Thepinkpavingco on 26 April 2012,07:17He has found that its cheapest in b&q so that's where it comes from doesn't matter our main supplier delivers for free or that it takes him an hour to drive to b&q and back and wait for three monkeys to bring out 40 bags they nearly have to shut down the store to organise a fork lift and two so called banksman
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 26 April 2012,09:33plaster is cheapest in b and q but like you i CBA waiting an hour for 6 bags of hardwall
Posted by Kuts on 26 April 2012,13:46Just after Christmas I was buying some stuff from b&q, looked at the cement and noticed it was going out of date that day. Brought this to the attention of the manager an he said I could have the rest of the pallet for £40(think there was 56 bags):D
Posted by joydivision on 26 April 2012,17:03That must have been some fast laying...
Posted by Mikey_C on 27 April 2012,21:14just used a plastic bag of cement that was 2.5 years old, when mixed, as all mortar should it went hard.
the paper bag I used was only 1.5 years old so it is impossible for me to draw any parallels!!
Posted by Kuts on 27 April 2012,22:26I was on a big(for me 500+sqm) sett job so they went within 3 days.
Went into Keyline for my next pallet load and noticed some out of date and asked for a discount...............no chance:D
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 27 April 2012,23:46was standing outside the boozer tonight and saw a londonstone transit pick up go past at roughly 7 pm?
was it one of your steve?
london road luton?
didnt have time to get a picture but defo said london stone
Posted by haggistini on 28 April 2012,06:38Delivering samples no doubt, I recived mine 2 days ago and I must say I'm very impressed with the presentation and the products. This should give customers a better picture of how these products can work together thanks Steve .
P.S. I tried to guess the stone before I looked at the info on the back I had about 60% right the lighter limestone and sawn products caught me out.
Posted by Dave_L on 28 April 2012,07:08
Keyline?! Robbing b'stards!
Posted by Bob_A on 28 April 2012,10:02
So I assume they are going to pass out of date stuff to someone else, maybe deliver it and scarper.
OK if it's only just out of date it won't matter but why should the customer have to bail out the shops stock mismanagement free of charge.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 01 May 2012,17:28had a hellish couple of weeks weather wise
got 1000 bricks in for the current job laid 100 and client decided they didnt like them
so off to sunny stansted twice yesterday picking up bricks
only 200 miles of diesel
we have 900 of the other bricks going cheap which i have given dan first refusal ,if he dont want them we are open to offers
anyway rain stopped at 12 today so we lashed up a few of the new bricks
doorway i bricked up for a mate saturday
uncle peter's new moustache
separated at birth?
just had a massive cloudburst in luton ,i live on top of a hill and the road is like a river
Posted by haggistini on 01 May 2012,19:39Ha ha nice tash pete.... Bastard wet week ! Seen the sun today at about 4 o'clock for the first time.....
Fecking slow trying to get stuck in to this town hall job,i had to include a "pick" in the method statement today . The paper work is mental for every task!
Excavating for water harvest in court yard
Tight acsess for plant but it's doing the job
Some serious paving ahead if they can understand that slabs are heavy we are strong and they gotta go in so quit fecking typing and get us fecking laying!
Posted by DNgroundworks on 01 May 2012,20:26Your brickwork is awesome Tony, i can do most things building related, plastering, roofing, block and stonework, paving, but for some reason i make a hash of every brickwork job i attempt :0
Posted by local patios and driveways on 01 May 2012,20:51How much is cheap tony?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 01 May 2012,20:58£100 but messr dig dug dan is picking them up in the morning
i dont want to think of the cost,£350 for bricks £160 for palletline
a few years ago i would have put them in a lock up
and they would still be there
Posted by dig dug dan on 02 May 2012,18:44
pleased to report, said bricks were collected this morning
took them back to the yard, and threw out some leftover blocks i am never going to use to make room for them!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 02 May 2012,20:57its a steal ,its a deal its the sale of the century
glad that at least someone will get the use out of them
if we had palleted them back to travis it would have cost us another £250 with haulage and restocking
Posted by Pablo on 02 May 2012,21:34If the client doesn't like the brick that's matched to the house and was quoted for then surely they pay for any costs that arise from getting one they do like.
Posted by Dave_L on 02 May 2012,22:38Continuation of groundworks for elderly care home extension.
Final reduce dig after founds poured, ready for stone, then concrete slab. On with digging the other side of building for founds, 16m3 booked for Friday PM.
A little wet and boggy following the rain we've had!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 02 May 2012,23:10it sure is dave
went to the allotments this evening and it looks like a paddy field
unless we get some sun soon a lot of stuff will rot in the ground
Posted by haggistini on 03 May 2012,05:0116m3 on a Friday afternoon !!!! That will work up a thirst!
Posted by Dave_L on 03 May 2012,19:40
Ahhh it'll be fine, nice long straight footings, first load at midday so I hope to be home by 4.30pm.
Although this wasn't really what we wanted to happen!!
Posted by haggistini on 03 May 2012,19:42Digging in basement today to find existing drainage in the old town hall. it's very dark, damp, full of dust from ongoing demolition above (lath & plaster) and no air circulation!
we have to lift and relay 500M2 of pennant sandstone
hand dig and remove 600t spoil ( conveyor through window)
Tank basement With Newton system
40mm insulation boards above sub-base
Install Lift pits
Lots of concrete bases for plant room
disabled acsess ramps out of Forrest pennant sawn slabs/wall cladding
Q.1 can we combine storm and foul 150mm each to 225mm manhole exit? As this happens 400mm outside building? If not we will have to under pin the main foundation and break in to existing manhole...nightmare!
Q.2 anyone used an electric micro digger before?
Grano type screed needs cleaning off 100m2+ breaks off like chocolate
Conveyer exit at ground level ..One 3m and one 4.5m 110v should get it out!!
Posted by haggistini on 03 May 2012,19:43
Oh fcuk !!
Posted by Dave_L on 03 May 2012,19:44One of the lads on site had a bit of bother with the khazi, I think he has a 6" asshole but the toilet is plumbed into 4" pipework. Make of that what you will!
At least he owned up to it and sorted it himself. Mind you there are more skidmarks in the pan than on a Formula 1 starting grid.
Posted by Dave_L on 03 May 2012,19:45
Indeed, but it wasn't unexpected but we did have a new Fendt tractor very near to it 10 mins before it came down (in a controlled manner, of course)
That could have been a right bloody mess.
Posted by haggistini on 03 May 2012,19:52I've seen needles, kebabs, plaited turds and cookie try and squeeze in them thunder boxes ... Nothing phases me now!
Posted by DNgroundworks on 03 May 2012,20:01Ha ha i love the craic on here, its powder dry up here this week!
Posted by haggistini on 03 May 2012,20:14What no speed! Ahh y'all get feck all done !
Posted by local patios and driveways on 03 May 2012,20:25Hagg, make certain conveyor is 600mm wide, 300wide is aggro. Not used electric diggers but on the market currently are kubotas set up for mining, electric, running to an in built conveyor, may be ideal for you, youtube videos exist
Posted by haggistini on 04 May 2012,19:58Got a 4.5m & 3.5m convayor coming tues/Wednesday morning..
Working this weekend i got a 150m2 drive to get in edges and stone knocked about already
In regards to drainage heres the pic flowjoe...
Posted by bobbi o on 04 May 2012,20:42Haggi, in case no one has already asked,why is a man as talented as you,scratching about in the mud for someone else?
Every monoblocker/garden make-over dude i speak to is booked out till late September.
You could/should put 20k in your back pocket over the next few months,then spend the winter chasing pussy around Europe.
Does that make sense?
Posted by haggistini on 05 May 2012,06:51You've hit the nail on the head bobbi! It's good to see the more commercial side and pick a few brains along the way. I feel that I might be working for myself in the near future but i will have a better strategy than the previous attempt. Learning every day!
Posted by DNgroundworks on 05 May 2012,17:56What was wrong with the last strategy Haggs? Why did you go PAYE? if you dont mind me asking that is..
Posted by Pablo on 05 May 2012,18:01
Now we know your pin number could we have a picture of your credit card please
Posted by Pablo on 05 May 2012,18:04
This photo got the wrong one there guess it's not funny anymore
Posted by haggistini on 05 May 2012,18:13Ha ha wondering what the feck you was on about then looking for numbers in the pic.....thats M40/115, M40/116 code for bedding specification!
Posted by Injured on 05 May 2012,23:14
Drivesett Duo with Argent border.
Posted by haggistini on 06 May 2012,00:10Nicely done George
Posted by local patios and driveways on 06 May 2012,05:26Very nice, no suds?
Posted by Injured on 06 May 2012,07:53yes the channel drains are piped to a new soakaway under the grass.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 06 May 2012,10:21
The linear drains are in front of the garage door dan
very nice george,very tidy
Posted by dig dug dan on 06 May 2012,10:35the first picture looks like the old drive slopes towards the road.
does the new one slope toward the garage to drain??
Posted by Injured on 06 May 2012,12:22The drive did slope back to the house and still does, the garage used to get water it.
Obviously if it had sloped towards the road I would have put the linear drains at against the flat top edgings as I did on the Elise drive.
Thanks for checking that I doing it correctly though Dan.
Posted by dig dug dan on 06 May 2012,12:28i wasn't doubting your expertise. Its an optical illusion from that first picture!
Posted by haggistini on 06 May 2012,13:27Up against it today don't think it will finnished tonight
Posted by Pablo on 06 May 2012,13:33Only a mad man works a sunday Haggi
Posted by haggistini on 06 May 2012,13:33
Sorry about image quality !
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 06 May 2012,13:53haggi those big fury things in your pictures are your fingers
Posted by Injured on 06 May 2012,16:22I know you weren't Dan But even if you were it is only good because you making sure that I do it right and so I always have to be on the ball
Posted by haggistini on 06 May 2012,18:4625m2 left so I'm in tomorrow
But I'd rather it be right!
The sun was shining but the body was aching and the beer was calling!!!
Posted by haggistini on 06 May 2012,18:48Ps the corner will be mitred
Posted by cookiewales on 06 May 2012,19:33
hope your looking after my alu idiot sticks bruce
Posted by haggistini on 06 May 2012,19:55Of courses ha ha! I'll be charging you rent next..... hope your looking after my BIG weights you know how brittle they are!!
Posted by Dave_L on 06 May 2012,21:55haha great stuff, good to see the banter
Posted by haggistini on 07 May 2012,13:33Had an hour or 2 at it this morning I'll let the boys have the cream tomorrow...
Posted by seanandruby on 07 May 2012,16:30Nice job. Was thinking ( here we go, lol ) wouldn't it look better if you continued the soldiers around the gully frame, rather than the stretchers?
Posted by haggistini on 07 May 2012,17:09Here we go indeed???
I did put soldier course first but the drain stood out IMHO and narrowed the look of the path a bit so opted for single course any thoughts welcome as this can change..maybe!
Posted by mike builder/landscaper on 07 May 2012,17:21i agree with you haggi. very nice work.
Posted by seanandruby on 07 May 2012,18:54Wasn't knocking your work hag', was only asking because i thought maybe you had tried the other way. nothing ventured.......
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 08 May 2012,17:48bricked up the bay at westoning Friday
window to be fitted in 2 weeks
started a new driveway today,quite a productive day had 2 8 wheelers out
soakaway and crates in the morning then terram geogrid and type 1 ,lets hope the rain keeps off
Posted by DNgroundworks on 08 May 2012,17:58is that a tilt hitch on the takeuchi?
Posted by rab1 on 08 May 2012,17:59that cant be your job tony, theres a digger on site.
Posted by DNgroundworks on 08 May 2012,18:05Tony is just our of shot frantically trying to keep up with the 5 tonner with his spade and fork......
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 08 May 2012,18:15that certainly is a tilt hitch
no hand dig on that job, well only to expose gas and electric
the 3 tonner takeuchi is a brand spanker only 8 hrs on it this AM
I know you lads like a bit of plant porn
Posted by DNgroundworks on 08 May 2012,18:19My mistake maybe it looks a bit bigger than a 3 tonner due to it being in a small space, how much are you payinf for 8 wheel grabs Tony?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 08 May 2012,18:46£220 + VAT
which is cheap compared to 6 yd skips at £150 +VAT a pop
we stripped 225mm off 75m2 and have maybe .2 of a m3 to get rid of,so he got plenty on
Posted by haggistini on 08 May 2012,20:59.2 of a m3 I would have got that on him.... Your slipping LLL .
Imaculate brick work as usual LLL, what paving are they having anything juicey
Nearly finnished now the boys done me proud today on the cuts!
I popped in dinner time to screed off and came back at 5:30,slammed in to it until 8:30 im a slave to the clays.... 750m2 last few weeks oooffff! "missing the cobbles now!"
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 08 May 2012,23:08are they those blockley ones haggis?
why they make them that funny size is beyond me?
tell your lads the whole point of inboard cutting is that no cut should be less than a 1/3 of a block, neat cutting but need a few halfs in here and there
Posted by Pablo on 09 May 2012,21:02Nearly there got it all cleaned and planted and snagged last couple of days all thats left is the lawn once it dries up. Finally convinced a local landscape supplier to stock composted bark after bedgering him for years he gave me a good discount for it because he's shifted 2 artics of it in the last month so it's become a best seller already.
The artificial turf surprised me with it realistic looks
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 09 May 2012,22:17
sorry to be a geek but its a tilt grading bucket on a normal quick hitch hahaha
but thanks for the pic, i was gonna say shes a clean girl, no concrete spatter yet haha
Posted by haggistini on 10 May 2012,06:28Nice job Pablo wish I had greener fingers but turf is my limit what is the construction for artificial turf?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 May 2012,06:59tilt grading bucket !
they are great for drives as you can work them off levels where needs be
nice job pablo it is indeed coming together nicely now
not keen on trampolines,dangerous things should be banned out of sports centres
Posted by local patios and driveways on 10 May 2012,07:22Got to agree about trampolines, i have a friend who cant walk, work or wipe his own arse because on landing on his head.
Not liking the fake turf but the client gets what client wants. Hagg its laid like block paving, subbase then sharp sand. Needs a timber edgeing to fix to.
Posted by Carberry on 10 May 2012,08:19
Should be safe as long as you don't do this:
I think they should be encouraged: (SFW if your boss doesn't mind you looking at bouncing breasts with the nipples covered)
< Trampoline boobs >
Posted by rimexboy on 10 May 2012,20:23very nice work pablo looking great, .... please remove that trampoline video as i feel sick seeing it..........
Posted by Pablo on 10 May 2012,20:38Trampolines are like guns they're not dangerous until an idiot gets hold of one. I think they're great play equipment for kids but they should always be enclosed and kept in good nick one of the biggest causes of attendance at A&E from household accidents is drunken adults injuring small kids on them.
I'm being converted to artificial turf in certain situations and play areas is certainly one of them it looks better than rubber matting or cold pour isn't as dirty as bark or rubber chip and can be played on in most weathers unlike grass which gets ruined and is out of bounds in the wet. All that adds up to getting the kids out of the house more since we've put the paving and play area in the kids are only in the house to eat and sleep according to the client so that's got to be money well spent. The other place the Turf works for me is small shaded gardens where grass doesn't grow well and the client has small kids or dogs that needs outdoor space without the mud. Paving it wouldn't be an option cost wise and it can when done right look close enough to a very well maintained lawn.
It's not neccesary to use a sub base unless it's getting play equipment etc on it if it was just to use like a normal lawn then the manufacturer states that it only needs the turf stripped and levelled then make up with compacted course sand and lay like a carpet ontop. All free edges need tacked if you can't tuck them under something.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 May 2012,21:15soakaway dug and crates installed
advantex non woven and geo grid installed
flat top edgings and drains connected
btw any good tips for bagged tarmac?
the bit by the footpath is fecked but the council dont want to know?
and lastly 393 mesh over the soakaway then concreted in
would have took more pictures but we had 17 tonnes of type 1 to barrow in in the pishing rain this afternoon
got soaked to the skin
tickets all booked for wembley on the 20th
Posted by dig dug dan on 10 May 2012,21:22tarmac. Greenpatch repair from ronacrete. best stuff out there. done a patch on the farm track a year ago, its still holding.
out of interest, why can't you terram over the crates and type one. will it sink?? or are you a "belt and braces" man!
Posted by Pablo on 10 May 2012,21:38Tony I use those channels a lot they're not 252 rated but are fine for domestic drives. Top tip for you though take a grinder to every second nib on the tops because they're impossible to get off once everythings installed and tight. They sit very well with the missing nibs I've used them on that last set of pictures I've posted I pay about £6.10 each.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 May 2012,21:46it was too wet for later pics
crates were surrounded by terram and shingle pipe was then laid on top and covered in more terram and shingle
then the mesh and concrete
then the terram and geogrid
I am not really happy about putting crates under someones drive and so would rather approach it belt and braces for a few quid extra
got gas ,electric and sewers to the lawn so could go that way
I hear ye paul about those channels,i had to remove some covers after a blockage and it nearly broke my heart,however i do like the wavy lines
found those flat tops in pinewood dan,they are smooth on 3 sides which i kinda liked
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 May 2012,21:59btw i may just go to the local tarmac plant and swallow it
what should i ask for I am guessing about .4 of a tonne but what mix?
Posted by msh paving on 10 May 2012,22:13
unless you have a account at the plant if its owned by tarmac they wont talk to you, usually 1ton min mix,if you dont have a insulated truck chances are you wont get a load, i would stick to the bagged stuff or cross a reinstatments gang with silver MSH
Posted by Dave_L on 10 May 2012,23:31.8t min mix, without a way of keeping its heat (insulated body etc) you'll be fighting a loosing battle.
Posted by Dave_L on 10 May 2012,23:34
I hate the plastic channels, probably because most of my work is surfaced with bitmac and the heat destroys anything plastic.
You're paying nigh-on what I buy the resin 100mm Aco raindrains at for plastic items....it pays to shop around.
Posted by Dave_L on 10 May 2012,23:36Always very satisfying to have a line pulled through a drainage run after putting it all into a measure off a drainage drawing and it comes in like this...........
Posted by Dave_L on 10 May 2012,23:39And on the upside, we've got the best drying room any site could ever wish for....the boilerhouse! Toasty warm! Found one of the site labourers asleep tucked in beside one of the boilers yesterday afternoon! Got to say, he was well hidden....
It's a great place to dry the drawings out during breaktimes
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 10 May 2012,23:49
resin acos for £6 quids???
pull the other one dave
i can get cheapo resin ones for tenners but the metal is poor
my supplier reckons aco are up their own arse and dont want to deal with anyone doing less than 100k a year
i didnt used to believe it but i reckon the hdpe ones are superior apart from where hot work is involved
Posted by mickg on 10 May 2012,23:59I used instarmac tarmac in a tub about 5 weeks ago to make good a pavement similar to yours, worked a treat
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 12 May 2012,13:49100 tegula kerbs in
crikey my wrist hurts
stone wacked to refusal
curve set out and haunched
its a funny drive this one
600 fall from garage to road and a 400 cross fall
i wanted to build a retaining wall but the client likes it as it is
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 12 May 2012,13:53oh and cheers mickg for the tip with the penant grey kerbs
they do look a lot better than traditional against hazelnut
Posted by haggistini on 12 May 2012,14:10Ooh that looks tidy LLL 45 degree or 90?
Posted by Dave_L on 12 May 2012,14:25
£6.98+VAT for resin Aco A15 Raindrains, just checked what we paid last time.
Posted by Dave_L on 12 May 2012,14:36All internal drainage complete & tested, external drainage to first i/c complete.
Heaved 75t of 803 in Friday pm, 48t on site Monday AM to complete. Compaction and then blinding, membrane, then ready for pump & 'crete Thursday.
Just got home from a morning on site digging in a 100mm perf pipe behind the wall, granular backfill and level ready for brickies.
Weather has dried up now thank god, site was a right shitpit. But we had the best drying room anyone could wish for, the boilerhouse!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 12 May 2012,16:54if you pay that dave fair play
as a big civils firm you probably get preferential rates
i have never paid less than £10 even for the fake acos,and more like £13 for the aco branded ones
hagg the client wants tegula herringbone @45 deg which suits me fine, i did the reinstatement with 6 bags of hanson tarmac in a bag
got zero confidence in it but the client wanted it done
i spoke to ashphalt express in luton and they would sell me .5 tonne for £60 + £25 part load fee +£80
straight off the street nothing special required
Posted by Dave_L on 12 May 2012,17:59Believe it or not I buy at that rate through our local Buildbase Tone. Keyline albeit matched it with their Wavin (?) channels but I don't like those, they have a stupid nib that means you can't but them up to an existing pavement without a dog ugly gap, whereas the Aco ones you can.
I notice Aco have changed the design of the A15 galvanised grids too. Not quite as chunky/ugly as before. Shinier (lol) and thinner, better looking and just as strong.
Posted by haggistini on 12 May 2012,18:35Nice tip cookie found plastic express they are cheap and do the job plastic types... But you have to cut the nib off the plastic lock first or it ruins you bed trying to lay them!
Posted by haggistini on 12 May 2012,18:36P.s LLL you have installed 50 soak always on this thread alone stop digging you muck savage!!!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 12 May 2012,18:41probably about right plastics express are cheap on a lot of things but my bloke ivel building supplies beats them on some stuff
mickg converted me from resin to plastic drains and long term i feel they do look better
everything i do and think about doing,i think
what will this be like in 10 years?
Posted by haggistini on 12 May 2012,18:45Mickg has a very good eye for detail and I agree . I borrowed some
black paint today off big site to paint the gully on my recent private driveway I'm sad but it's the little touches that count !!!
Pics Monday night......,
Posted by DNgroundworks on 13 May 2012,14:01LLL, i when i need a tonne or so of bitmac i buy it through my buildbase account and rock up at the tarmac plant with my ifor williams trailer, a few layers of old carpets chucked over and pinned down, and all is good! I dont do much tarmac mind and im probably paying way more than i should but the "mac in a sack" stuff is absolute crap IMO.
Posted by mickg on 13 May 2012,14:34so basically what your saying Dan is if you have a 75mm - 100mm strip by 4 metres wide you would buy a ton of tarmac when all you need is 2 tubs of instarmac at a cost of approx £40 what will be rock hard in a couple of days tops
shakes head in disbelief
Posted by Dave_L on 13 May 2012,15:26Up against a wall yes I'd say the tubbed stuff would be OK but for anything more than that use the proper stuff.
Posted by mickg on 13 May 2012,17:32
only just seen this Luton
the tarmac in the bags off hanson is not made for the situation you have used it in and is only suitable for going round lamp posts or similar patching where no one will walk on it or be able to drive over it as it takes months to go hard, there is no literature saying this on the bags and I had to get it faxed over from hanson
I had to bite the bullet about 18 months ago and remove over 10 bags and replace with the stuff in the tubs as 3 weeks later it was still soft
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 13 May 2012,18:48the client wanted summat done there and then
so needs must
wacked it over 8 times and still soft as shite
plant is shut on saturday but i did what i was asked
long term it needs to be done right but hey ho! lets see what happens
Posted by DNgroundworks on 13 May 2012,19:19Mick, no im not saying that, all im saying is that you can go into a tarmac plant and get 1 tonne, ive actually bought .5 tonne before, just saying that they will deal with you but through your buildbase account....thats all.
Also said "when i need a tonne".....
The stuff you mention Mick is, as ive heard pretty good, the stuff in bags is shite....like i said
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 13 May 2012,19:28my bad
the client wanted something in over the weekend
if it proves shite i will replace before the job is done
Posted by bobbi o on 13 May 2012,19:28i wouldnt use instarmac stuff. it is good but £1000 a tonne is ripping the preverbial.
it should be only slightly more expensive than hotmix,as the bitumen content and heat is reduced against a normal recipe,before adding the flux.
the ecoflux stuff,which i thing ronacrete and instarmac use in their mix,sets hard on top fairly quickly,but will still be pliable underneath for a while after its laid.
the problem with these guys,is that they dont have their own tar plant,so a product that costs about £90 a tonne to make ends up,with packaging and marketing at £1000.
just about every plant makes their own version of coldtar,which are all really good these days,its just whether anyone can be ersed to bypass their local b.m
colas do a nice product calle bitucrete,which was about £7 per 25kg last time i bought it.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 14 May 2012,19:19asphalt express will do me .5 tonne of 6mm for £85 all in
may end up going down that route
pissed off with the hanson stuff ,they shouldnt be allowed to sell it as "driveway repair" cos it aint
screed wacked and rescreeded the sand today
then banged a bit of area in, ohh my hands are sore from picking up the 160 wide blocks
merchant dropped off a inset cover while i was away getting .5 of sand ,I came back and saw a 45 mm cover laying there
some lads need a brain transplant on a Monday, 2 of them looked at me like i was an alien when i asked did they not notice it was too thin for block paving ??
give me strength
Posted by haggistini on 14 May 2012,19:47You had a good go today LLL!
What blocks again?
Did you use blocks on edge to keep your 45 deg bang on?
Posted by haggistini on 14 May 2012,19:50Ooh I hear you on the 160mm super grip, last ones I did like that was 150 tegular sized limestone setts with cookie ... My hands where aching after those.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 14 May 2012,20:02tegula penant grey around the border,and tegula hazelnut in herringbone for the body,i used a bit of 4 by 2 on edge to get the long 10 m cut all a nice size
some of the others are going to be smaller though,theres no inboard cutting with tegs really
Posted by Dave_L on 14 May 2012,20:19Nice job as always Tone.
Posted by haggistini on 14 May 2012,20:19Can't you replace the bedding on the smaller cuts with semi dry mortar before compacting or am I being OTT !
Posted by mickg on 14 May 2012,20:25looking good Tony and thanks for the compliment
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 14 May 2012,20:28i was stumped before your suggestion of penant grey kerbs mick g
its nice to use some high end material for a change
for once we have a client that isnt "cheap cheap"
Posted by haggistini on 15 May 2012,19:57Finally finished the drive today with Tarmac threshold
Customers are happy.
Posted by haggistini on 15 May 2012,19:58Mad contrast of colours and a we touch up on photoshop app!
Posted by Dave_L on 15 May 2012,20:17All ready for membrane tomorrow when it's a little less breezy and then 150mm of pumped C35 concrete with fibres Thursday.
Posted by dig dug dan on 15 May 2012,20:35nice job hag. i particularly like the car on the drive!
Posted by haggistini on 15 May 2012,20:39Some popup's in there dave nice brain buster looking good BTW
Posted by haggistini on 15 May 2012,20:40
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 15 May 2012,20:42my eyes!!
jeez haggi has your camera been on acid?
nice work you and dave
pain making the membrane work around that lot dave?
Posted by haggistini on 15 May 2012,20:49Sorry luton the originals....
Posted by Dave_L on 15 May 2012,21:00
Yeah it's gonna be a right ballache, lots of tape and lapped joints, corner strentheners against the RIW. Setting that lot out was a right brain-ache but we've checked and triple-checked positions and we're good to go.
We've cut 300x300 squares out of scrap celotex for to go around the pipework to allow a degree of adjustment after the pour.
Posted by DNgroundworks on 15 May 2012,21:28Made a start today on 100m plus of an oak sleeper retaining wall, the sleepers are being cut down by carpenter and the tops carved into a "twisting rope effect"... whatever that is.
very intricate design going off down the garden, will post pics of progress.
Posted by matty brock on 15 May 2012,22:07Cant belive how dry that ground looks on the 2nd lot of photies ! It hasnt stopped raining for weeks up North, you dont know how lucky you are down there ;)
Posted by matty brock on 15 May 2012,22:14Ignore me, just noticed the picture I was commenting on was from August 2010......Its been a long day:blush:
Posted by Dave_L on 16 May 2012,19:29Membrane in and fibreboard placed, all ready for a 7am kick off. Wasn't too fiddly in the end, me and a good bloke with a knife & tape had the main of it in by 11am.
Posted by haggistini on 16 May 2012,19:40Nice and neat dave you'll be sipping cider by dinner time tomorrow
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 16 May 2012,19:51that oversite has made me smile dave
a work of art in my eyes
loving the celotex around the pipes
will remember that one
Posted by mickg on 16 May 2012,20:01very neat job Dave
Posted by Dave_L on 16 May 2012,20:13Thanks for the kind comments chaps!
The celotex came out of the skip from a site next door, they were more than happy to see it go! It will give us a bit of easement on the drainage connections when it comes to partition/studwork etc
The link corridor and ramped sections (2 x 150mm ramps) from the existing building is a tricky old affair. Full of underground tunnels housing heating pipework to the boilerhouse, manhole covers and drainage!
Think we'll pour that with the driest pump mix we can, leave it for a while then stir it into place at the lowest (flat) level on the main ramp.
Heating & hot water pipework we discovered underneath our dig!! Complicated the levels a little, big internal manhole cover going over this lot.
Other than that, I expect to be digging in the final foul connection pipework to the connection to the existing infrastructure by just after dinnertime. Then it'll be cider-time!
Posted by peg basher on 17 May 2012,12:49with the pop-ups i like to triple wrap them with brickfill or myothene with a blank cap on and set them 5-10 mm below concrete level so they can be easifloated or powerfloated straight over. next day whilst the conc is still green just break the top off with a hammer. It helps keeps the finish nice and level with no dips of peaks around pop-ups and also stops them getting smashed later on.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 17 May 2012,17:18before
NB finger fail
wow that stuff is hot!
onwards and upwards
Posted by dig dug dan on 17 May 2012,17:26cracking stuff as always. But where did the silver birch tree go?
Posted by haggistini on 17 May 2012,17:29Feck I thought you was tarmacing the whole threshold! thank feck you didn't!!!
what the fcuk is that BTW
Could do witha few more passes of the whacker I think a few lips central
Recess tray is freaky spot on
Job looks very nice
is that a goldwing in the garage just out of interest!
Posted by haggistini on 17 May 2012,17:32Sorry it's water I presume!
Posted by dig dug dan on 17 May 2012,17:47driveway rejunevate and extend job.
40mm of base course on extended drive area, and 30mm of 10mm on existing concrete.
Posted by haggistini on 17 May 2012,18:23Look 10 times better dan!
Posted by dig dug dan on 17 May 2012,19:00i think thats what the customer wanted!
Posted by Pablo on 17 May 2012,20:20
Tony that looks great it's good to see the Tegula laid at a 45 herringbone I think it really works well. Did you remove the Tree stump or grind it down? My one minor point would be the finish of the linear channel I think it it looks unbalanced having one edge free to the lawn and the other inside the kerb if you brought the edge block through it and finished it inside I think it would be a better finish. I just said that cos you always grip me for details.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 17 May 2012,21:19you know what pablo I had the same thoughts myself but the client said leave it alone
the reason was the other end is the outfall and then there is a 250 tegula kerb adjacent
but hands up ya got me
its hard to see in my poor photies but the kerbs on the right and all around the main body are penant grey and the body is hazelnut
i wanted to put an internal border of argent but the client is proper old school and said he didnt want any kind of bling look
there are no lips haggis you know that
the only lips will be mine on a pint of black stuff at 3 pm tomorrow
ps nice work dan
is that not 6mm bitmac
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 17 May 2012,21:23the silver birch
client planted 3 of 38 years ago
following mickg's advice we had it removed and the stump ground out
bearing in mind the tragedy in london with mcnicholas and the lampost falling and killing a a baby,i think its for the best
mind you we still found roots 100 mm in diameter today when preparing for the turf
did 2 jobs today i havent done for years
bitmac and turf
next thing i will be cutting grass
Posted by mickg on 17 May 2012,21:26>>>next thing i will be cutting grass
and posting on landscape juice too
nice work Luton but I have a question, why did you set the drainage channel a block in from the concrete edging
I think it disrupts the flow of the border having the channel in between 2 blocks but only a single block around the rest of the driveway and is not as aesthetically pleasing on the eye
very neat cutting in, no choice with the small cuts when laying large block in a herringbone pattern as to do inbound cutting would ruin the flow of the bond completely
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 17 May 2012,21:41good point mick
again its a direct hit
i give it, so i have to take it when the time comes
personally I dont like to see the drainage channel right next to the kerb for 2 reasons
1 if the 2 are adjacent you cant haunch either properly on their abutting edge
2 there are other drives in the same road with the channel tight to the flat top and it looks odd,the block between the channel and the flat top is bedded on concrete too, so to my mind it gives around 350mm of solid stuff where the car first drives onto the drive
I appreciate the comments and take them on board,I am always willing to learn and refine techniques and design
biggest issue for me is that my blokes are builders,they go all misty eyed when doing drives and patios,not in the good way
Posted by dig dug dan on 17 May 2012,22:59
10mm bitmac. I have to confess, that the tarmac i sub contracted to a very good local firm.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 17 May 2012,23:42it looks quality from here anyway dan
i went into express asphalt in luton today and they could not have been more helpful £70 +vat for .5 tonne of 6mm
I know other blokes have spoke of tubs etc but the real mccoy was hard inside an hour and nice and flat
needless to say the lads didnt heed my instructions about the shovels and we now have bitumen encrusted shovels
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 18 May 2012,08:37next time you've got a fire on the allotment burn the shovels off there or blow torch and gloves and scraper
old diesel dissolves it as well but you'd need a bund then safe disposal of said old diesel ;)
Posted by Kuts on 18 May 2012,20:22I once had a fella come for a day an I asked him to burn the tools off. Daft Cnut burnt 3 spazzles and 4 shovels (handles too)
Posted by local patios and driveways on 18 May 2012,21:39Dan, why the odd levels and the fencer needs shooting. Looks crap to me.
Posted by dig dug dan on 18 May 2012,22:16not sure what you man with the odd levels?
the brief was to overlay exisitng concrete base, whilst extending to the right into the border. Without ripping up the concrete, i guess not much could be done. the slop you see by the fence is where a previos attempt was made to extend the drive.
Customer was given the option of following drive with the fence, or sloping it in a line from one point to the other.
she opted for the later. I agree. i should be shot. i wouldn't have done it like that if it was my fence
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 18 May 2012,22:47I spotted the fence and realised immediately what had happened
like me dan you are probably too soft with customers wishes
in hindsight a dog leg in the fence would probably have looked better following the drive line
but hindsight is a great thing
customer is always right in my book
what about SUDS as an alteration this would require SUDS under the 4 year old regulation?
Posted by Dave_L on 19 May 2012,04:51But it was only a 4.98m2 driveway extension!
Posted by Dave_L on 19 May 2012,04:53Not seen this time on a Saturday for a long while, early bird cathes the worm, lets go digging I'll keep that ice cold beer in my mind all day long, will make it a little more bearable!!
Posted by mickg on 19 May 2012,06:43is it my eyes or is there a step up to the new driveway from the pavement ?
suds applies to all driveways in England from October 1st 2008
These new planning rules also apply to where existing hard standing are being replaced and apply to hard surfaces exceeding 5 square metres in area
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 19 May 2012,06:47welcome to middle age dave
6 hours is my maximum kip
so if i go to sleep at 10 i am up at 4 etc etc ad nauseum
quote "What if I'm only having my existing drive re-paved?
All paving and surfacing, whether it's new work, replacement, or extension, is subject to the new legislation, so even if you're only replacing your existing flags with a bit of block paving, the work will have to be installed in accordance with the new regulations. " unquote
I am guessing it all falls down the side path to a gully anyway
the soakaway on that drive by the time i factored in
1 skip (near enough)
1 tonne 10 mm shingle
20m2 of terram
3 m pipe
393 steel mesh
.5 of concrete to cap it
cost the guts of a grand
its a hard sell telling folk that summat they dont want is going to cost them a grand +vat
according to the regs you could put the drains in and just have them draining to a bucket of shingle
wtf does that mean?
our BCO s are looking for 1M3 for every 30m2 of roof tiles
all the best
Posted by seanandruby on 19 May 2012,08:33won't that edge start breaking away over time? quick plant something under the fence
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 19 May 2012,08:51it still looks 10 times better than it did
which is the most important thing
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 19 May 2012,10:20personally if it were me id have overlaid it with a wearing course of 5 carrot diamonds for better life expectancy
come on ppl weve all been there and client wants it tarted up and looking better, yeah you can give them a quote for 3k to rip it up and relay it or as most ppl vote with their wallet do what they want and wipe its arse.
maybe cutting out and laying the block across the front might have helped with that lip but hindsight is a wonderful thing
Posted by Carberry on 19 May 2012,11:02
Most gardens I do I think look shi*e
The one I hate the most is completely slabbing over a garden with grey 2x2s. Couple of years ago I had to do that about 15 times.
Posted by DNgroundworks on 19 May 2012,13:28Nearly all the smaller jobs i do are compromises, your average joe just doesnt have the budget to spend on a flash new driveway...my commercial customers on the other hand dont seem to have a budget
Posted by local patios and driveways on 19 May 2012,15:06You have to be careful what you put your name to locally. The competition see you working there then see the completed work... Its going to get mentioned along with your company everytime. Let pikeys do the cheap nasty work.
Posted by dig dug dan on 19 May 2012,17:08
yes there is a 30mm ramp. this is because the existing concrete is flush with the pavement, so without ripping up the whole drive (my preffered choice)the only option was to ramp it. The tarmac contractors have sealed the edge.
As for suds, the council round here are useless on any kind of action. one of my neighbours removed his 20sq of tarmac, replaced it with blocks, and someone dobbed him in. They made him put a drainage channel in, but told him not to worry about a soakaway, as long is it looks like a drain.
he then queried another property with similar size drive, this one sloping onto a main road, the council said they decided no action was needed.
And another drive, this one around 150sqm, he was told " its at the side of the house so doesn't count"
There is one driveway firm round here, who put a channel in, but never connect it to anything. Its only me round here that does it properly!
would have a job. the edges go right up to it!
Posted by Dave_L on 19 May 2012,18:31200+ metres of trenching for two power cables today; thought the ground would be a fairly easy dig- how wrong was I?? It was pretty much all made-up ground all the way up, bricks, crap, blocks and lumps of concrete and about 50mm of turf/topsoil/grass!!
You can see the stripped turf to the left of the trench, the crap to the right. Second bucket into the ground and we hooked out two water supplies - one 32mm and a 25mm! Good job I had my repair joiners handy. Bloody troughs etc....
All ready to do the runs across the road Monday, trim the entire driveway, stone up Tuesday through the road layer and 120t of binder on Wednesday.
Posted by seanandruby on 19 May 2012,18:47Maybe you could hang some xmas icicles off it...
Posted by Dave_L on 19 May 2012,19:05
Quite agree, sometimes we have to make the job fit the customers budget - not everyone has £10k+ to splash out on a fancy driveway etc.
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 19 May 2012,20:55
local if you are going to call someone elses work crap at least put yourself up here for peer review, there arent many on here who posts warts and all photos of a job during and finished, most opt for carefully selected finished photos
so yeah call some one elses work crap but at least lets get more ppl posting their jobs up and we can all wade in....
Posted by local patios and driveways on 19 May 2012,21:32Giles. I put a job up and loads of regulars (at that time) knocked the crap out of me. One knob end bitched about a cup on a window sill. It was old boys putting the new lad in his place. Pne thing that sticks in my mind was "this is paving expert, if its not the best we will let you know" that hurt me but its true. Im keeping up tradition.
Plus too many guys got tongues up each others arseholes. Not me. I tell it like it is
Im sure dan is a great guy but the job is rubbish. :rock:
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 19 May 2012,21:40constructive criticism is the key thing
we dont want to just start slating people for no reason
dans bitmac drive isnt rubbish by any means
the fence looks a bit odd and the rest is a bitmac overlay
I welcome constructive criticism thats why i am not afraid to post warts and all photos
its how we learn
i never knew about sbr till i came on here
come on chelski
Posted by dig dug dan on 19 May 2012,21:41
thanks for the kind words, but customer is over the moon, and has sent me a lovely letter today to that effect.
At the end of the day, nothing i have done has been bodged, its all been done to her satisfaaction and requests, top tarmac company has done me proud.
Whilst i appreciate the fence may not be to everyones "levels", it has been installed correctly using pressure treated timber, morticed posts and planed all round pales.
I fail to see how that can be wrong? individual tastes have to be caterered for, but its not right to "shoot the fencer" in this instance.
all of the gripes about my post have come about because the customer has chosen how she wants her drive done, and how much she wanted to spend, not because of any quality of workmanship
Posted by mickg on 19 May 2012,21:44One knob end bitched about a cup on a window sill
funny how people are brave sat behind a PC screen 250 miles away
I bet you would not say them words to my face
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 19 May 2012,21:45ok so post some of your work up, i have on going battles with sean and some of my finishing work isnt the best but i still stick in up here warts and all.
opinions are like arseholes everyones got one haha
re dans drive, my surfacing lads would have had me cut a threshold out the pavement or the concrete so they could work to a square edge as that overlay edge is going to fail, dans done plenty of finger pointing at me for using through bolts on gates (its in the bs on fencing to do it that way) but thats his opinion, i just choose to ignore him as i know better ;) but he does cut grass haha (sorry nicking tony's running joke) .:)
flip we cant all be experts from day 1 and its a bigger man that takes it on the chin and says shit ive learnt somethign there, thanks guys i'll take that on and use it on my next job.
and yeah all being hairy arsed builders types we arent maybe phrasing it right but if you take it positively then can be beneficial
i remember that dog of an old mixer on metal wheels haha
Posted by local patios and driveways on 19 May 2012,21:47Cmon tony, no string line used on the pavoir edges. Could have cut out the first 400mm of concrete and kept the levels right. Could have infilled the center to lose the steep fall. Despite the clients thoughts on fencing surely when you tell them a straight top will leave an unsightly gap below its a no brainer, what client would argue with simple logic?
Im not afraid of critism, i will post my current arse ache job next week on completion. 24 oak sleepers on end. 40m of sandstone, two circles and 100m of turf. There will be faults, i will take what i give out
Posted by local patios and driveways on 19 May 2012,21:50Mick, i would say it to your face. Im scared of no one but my mum. (more of a man than i will ever be) didnt realise it was you. Unfair comment that day.
Posted by local patios and driveways on 19 May 2012,21:50Giles i have posted work, will update last one with recent pics for you, look at new posts in 20 mins
Posted by dig dug dan on 19 May 2012,21:53
how can you tell tony didn't use a sting line? they look ok to me
Posted by dig dug dan on 19 May 2012,21:54
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 19 May 2012,21:55its not just you local, sorry dont know your name i want more lads posting pics up etc, ergo more traffic and hopefully more members
lets try to keep things civil i know thats hard in our game weve all seen fist fights on sites etc
but try and be constructive i.e
that patio is flipping wank, youve got loads of + joints and youve jointed it with dog shit mixed with sweetcorn
might sound better as
if you consult this page (link to main page) you'll see that the bs recommends no + joints and id spend 5 mins readign the page on jointing as i think your jointing medium might not be upto the task....
Posted by local patios and driveways on 19 May 2012,22:03
No dan, your edges
Posted by local patios and driveways on 19 May 2012,22:04Giles my name is dan weston. Im probably too harsh i admit, but i am used to speaking my mind. I do it with my guys at work, but im firm but fair
Posted by DNgroundworks on 19 May 2012,22:09Im guilty of not posting many photos, mainly because i find it a faff tbh, i shall endevour to do put some more up, i also dont criticise anyones work regardless of what i think of it because i see myself lacking experience to comment.
Picture here of the drain behind the oak sleeper retainer we are 1/4 way through....why would the engineers specify 150mm of stone under all land drainage? Doesnt make sense to me?
Posted by dig dug dan on 19 May 2012,22:11not sure what you are on about. the are in a straight line, levelled to exsiting concrete driveway levels, with an upslope near the house for water run off.
how would you have done it then??
Posted by local patios and driveways on 19 May 2012,22:16Dan i would have insisted on straight levels with a linear drain and crates, if the client had asked for any other way i would have declined but thatseasy to say when its busy i guess. Probably wouldnt have got the job though because you would have come in way cheaper than us.
Posted by dig dug dan on 19 May 2012,22:22everyone would have done, as what you are proposing would have been a complete drive rip out, and start again, something the customer did not want, no had the funds to do!
I should add that the gutter downpipe at the side went straight into the concrete, but the soakaway was blocked, so she cut the pipe off and jammed a length of gutter under it to guide the water away.
Posted by local patios and driveways on 19 May 2012,22:26Im feeling bad about knocking you so hard now. I dont want to harp on, but im certain you could have done better
Posted by haggistini on 19 May 2012,22:34Any comments great fully accepted lpad
Posted by local patios and driveways on 19 May 2012,22:57Get your fingers off the lens haggis?
Posted by ilovesettsonmondays on 19 May 2012,22:58the guy in the red hat is not wearing hi vis pants hag .
Posted by rimexboy on 19 May 2012,23:04
or gloves lol
Posted by haggistini on 19 May 2012,23:12
Pull your finger out ya ass lpad !..... I lifted and relayed this Wednesday 63M2 cos it got a banana effect!
100mm out over a few courses !
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 19 May 2012,23:38that haggis is why i wont work on commercial sites,too many people all over the work
those clays are a PITA anyone thats ever laid them knows that,the baggeridge ones are better IMHO
the thing to remember here is that its easy to criticize
but being able to take criticism is another level entirely
Posted by haggistini on 19 May 2012,23:45Without out id be shit..?
And not The best in south Wales!
Posted by DNgroundworks on 20 May 2012,07:51jeez didnt know they where that bad? 100mm? whats the problem with them, tolerances?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 20 May 2012,08:19you need a line dan to almost lay them like bricks
baggeridge are better than blockleys IME as they only have nibs on 2 sides so you can flip them to get your line back
are blockleys nibless haggis?
Posted by haggistini on 20 May 2012,08:48I've sussed them out now they need constant correction with a mallet to a string line as you go but these were laid by boys who normally get away the crashing them in any old shape but to run out that far was just a no brainer in my eyes I had no answers for the site agent other than lift and relay
They have one side without nipples and really need to be flipped about so that the nipples are always out and dont clash on the small end(so basicly only one way to lay them)so I have told the boys to remember "tits out" that seems to work..... Still not quick enough for the boss tho who wants 120M2 a day!
Posted by Dave_L on 20 May 2012,08:53Nice work Haggis but not sure about that horrible plastic Osma cover?
Posted by haggistini on 20 May 2012,08:56Not sure? they are the wrong depth for the job we only go in and lay with these delevopers it winds me up going over other peoples work
Posted by mickg on 20 May 2012,09:58you lay every 3rd or 4th row to the line as its not possible to get every row straight
Posted by haggistini on 20 May 2012,16:36And it helps if your edges are square jeessuuss! Give me strenth!
Should have two drives side by side done by Wednesday with diamond patterns for both...!
Every drive in the same street has tram lines in them but the work still keeps coming thank fcuk no one looks at this site!
No wonder I couldn't compete ..
Posted by Pablo on 20 May 2012,21:55Haggi the pattern looks out but isn't it's the garden walls that are kicking it all off they've been put in by eye and aren't square with anything else. The pin kerb is the same distance at both ends and they've pulled a line through on that assuming that the walls were the same distance in the middle but they're not. You'll not get that any better it's just the way it is and it's not a workmanship issue on your part. If you want it looking better at all then you could finish the paving short so it's all square and not following the wall then fill the gap with gravel or concrete or more of the black trim.
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 20 May 2012,22:13head down arse up haggis get on with it
LLL pissed and angry
Posted by haggistini on 21 May 2012,20:09
The walls and edges in this bay are bang on, it was the first thing i checked after the agent phoned me.The boys just runout and didn't keep the half blocks against the soldier course,it's right now but they have had the dreaded cement fillets around the incorrect manhole covers.
I may return for a few pic's....... Or maybe not!
Posted by haggistini on 22 May 2012,06:17Recent excavation for drainage and tanking system for basement hard graft for the boys
Grano, ash and mortar floor.
Ramp and conveyor set up and working a treat just need more men to reduce floor level now approx 250T to hand dig.
Posted by Carberry on 22 May 2012,15:00
Now that's my kind of job
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 22 May 2012,16:30i am no HSE specialist haggis but that job doesnt look very well lit or tidy
I dont mind a bit of hand dig what you paying a tonne?
i would reckon on 9 blokes having that out in 3 weeks
pure hard graft eh?
Posted by DNgroundworks on 22 May 2012,16:52Pure hard graft for sure! Im gonna say it....can you not get a micro in??
Posted by haggistini on 22 May 2012,17:59
h&s on site are happy with the set up. the ply is to eliminate any snagging in belt and the boys have added a few boards to scoop up the poop.. No digger because of fumes and only access is down the stairs don't worry we have asked and asked and looked in to electric ones.!
Finnished yet another clay block drive today
Next doors tomorrow and thursday, flyer Friday!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 22 May 2012,18:03are these for the firm or PJs haggis?
certainly churning out the work
Posted by Carberry on 22 May 2012,18:03
9 blokes = 28T to dig out each, surely should be able to dig out more than that in 3 weeks? If I knock my pan in I can dig 28T in 2 days.
Posted by haggistini on 22 May 2012,18:06For the firm carberry you are welcome if you got a Cscs card
Posted by Carberry on 22 May 2012,19:01
Call me insane, but I love digging.
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 22 May 2012,19:06ive got some specially trained polish moles i can rent you haggi ;) haha of the joys of digging in a basement
got my basement to do, but only 1 room so shouldnt be to bad but going out through the house
Posted by Carberry on 22 May 2012,19:16
In australia mole is slang for prostitue
Can I have 2 please?
Back on topic... that clay drive looks good, glad to see the diamonds in it, too big an area for plain block paving.
Posted by Dave_L on 22 May 2012,20:12Thats an insane amount of hand dig. Mentalists!!
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 22 May 2012,20:18i had a guy on and off 10 years ago do a bit for/with me
he had been involved in tunnels and caissons all his life
anyway with a pick and a shovel only,he dug out and barrowed a full 8 wheelers worth of chalk to the front of the house by 4 o'clock
he had a strange technique with the pick,but basically it was like watching perpetual motion
he didnt stop for anything
like you carberry i can and do dig a bit
but when you see a true master at work it really is a sight to behold
Posted by haggistini on 22 May 2012,20:24If the finnished floor level is deemed to be another 170mm lower then we will be up to about 400T
I'm not a big fan of diamonds never have been really but i can do whatever diamonds I like as the customers wanted them. (creative liecence but has to be different to next door) the blocks are the same colour and boarder so what to do on the next drive? Do I go mad and lay the drive 45'
Posted by local patios and driveways on 22 May 2012,23:25Go 45 deg. Always a winner. Must say that building is beautiful, is it government?
Posted by haggistini on 23 May 2012,06:03Ye olde town hall finnished in 1897 with terracotta masonry it will be totally spammed up this time next year... Forget the 45' to much faffing and cutting in 27'C today
Posted by cookiewales on 23 May 2012,06:54Nice little circle in the middle hag 3m twin band in black then coursed inside
Posted by haggistini on 23 May 2012,06:56If only I had the time
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 23 May 2012,07:24they are not going to lay clay pavers on top of piers are they?
drive looks spot on
i did a guinness harp years ago pre camera times but last time i went past it had been removed
all the do as you likeys do diamonds and geometric designs round here
one hindu guy even put a swastika on his drive?
i like 45 deg and a detailed border
but the man who pays the piper gets what he wants
Posted by Carberry on 23 May 2012,08:18
It's a hindu symbol:
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 24 May 2012,18:28did a little 8 m drive extension today
we re used old blocks from down the garden
bread and butter stuff
its isnt pretty but will serve its purpose
the tree crew turned up while we were there
always fun watching these guys do the high stuff
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Posted by haggistini on 24 May 2012,18:44In and out lll
Posted by haggistini on 24 May 2012,19:09Still waiting for blocks for the second drive so been concreting ramps instead oh the joys of it all ...... Beer time!!!
Posted by john on 24 May 2012,20:38Over 100,000 views Tony is that a first for the cabin
Keep it going mate
Im Not on tools anymore but look in every day and have been for past 8 years at least.
Good to see quality work from yourself ,giles haggs,cookie and all the boys
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 24 May 2012,22:11i seem to remember your good self and dig dug dan as 2 of the originals from when i first joined?
i found this in the archives which was of some interest
< read done a bit >
the good old days eh? when the gaffer called geofix ok-ish?
how come your off the tools?
pen and paper builder now ?
I dont mind pricing and estimating but i prefer to be hands on,however realistically at 44 I need to delegate more
hopefully the warts and all recent work thread has given joe public an insight into the real world of building sites
Posted by London Stone Paving on 24 May 2012,22:52Nice insight there Luton. Its easy to see why the site has been such a success over the years. Good, honest advice provided from day one to now
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 25 May 2012,07:53Oh the joys of a third day on the 1.5 robber in direct sun running full whack with the breaker on ripping out reinforced concrete, why didn't I bring the 3cx not only much more powerful but air conditioning sweat in the eyes time.
Bent the bucket ram yesterday, kinda straighten it with wrecking bar but have to go engineers when I'm done oops
Posted by digerjones on 25 May 2012,12:24how the frig did you manage that???
Posted by local patios and driveways on 25 May 2012,12:58Jeezus, ive not sen that done before. Ouch
Posted by henpecked on 25 May 2012,14:28
Trying for the corner bits with a sweep
Posted by GB_Groundworks on 25 May 2012,14:30Was trying to rip a bit of mesh out, mechanical advantage of the takeuchi hammer, have to get a new shaft keeps bending when pulling hard with it,
Another reason for it to go waiting for a kubota to come up from our plant dealer or local big hire place,
Posted by seanandruby on 25 May 2012,16:56
that doesn't sound like the hag we know and who's work we respect. You should always take a step back now and then. Remember you can't hurry perfection and quality
Posted by local patios and driveways on 25 May 2012,17:52Brown sugar ^
Posted by haggistini on 25 May 2012,18:00
Tell the boss sean, I did return to a job today and cleaned the aco's out changed the chipped blocks and topped up with sand so the standards haven't dropped just the finesse is on the shelf.
Posted by Pablo on 25 May 2012,20:23Finished this one yesterday 89m2 of sandstone and some tree pruning the existing levels were crap so had to build up in most places to get a decent fall. Took just under 7 days had budgeted for 8 so happy days.
I'd be interested in whether you think I should've finished the outer edge with a curve and continued the pattern rather than the angles in hindsight I think it would've looked better but would like your views.
Got 2 lawns ready for turfing today with 2 tomorrow and 2 on monday ready for the turf on tuesday so that'll be a long day.
Some steps seating and patio fro the same job I'll get some better shots once it's turfed.
Done lots of other bits and bobs recently but to lazy to photograph it.
Posted by r896neo on 25 May 2012,20:43Looking good as always Pablo, i'm not too sure about the angles as you say, the fact that it comes back round to parallel i probably would have continued the pattern. But the large 600x900 cut with angles looks ok its just the smaller cuts on round that look funny.
That soil pipe in photo one is a dogs dinner on steroids.
I think i'll post up my last couple of jobs so it'll be my first in this thread. Let the flaming begin....
Posted by r896neo on 25 May 2012,21:01My last few jobs
Do fences count?
I do lay other paving than tegula heather, honest
Posted by London Stone Paving on 25 May 2012,21:07I like the angles. Its a bold statement but it makes it stand out. Patio looks superb !
Posted by rimexboy on 25 May 2012,21:54patio looks very nice and a good clean crisp finish, i like the shot of you in the window too lol
Posted by john on 25 May 2012,22:51God forgot it was that long ago Tony 2001 time flies.
From memory I think you hovered for a while before you started posting didn't you. Then you got the bug
I remember that job as it was 40mm flags suitable for a drive from millstone. I often go past it and it's still as sound today as was then although it has been repointed
I still maintain that this is the most informative site on a trade that your ever going to get anywhere on the web. The contributions from the members provide daily insights as to what goes on in the real world.
First met the gaffer back then no nonsense will tell you like it is type of guy. Deserves credit for the wealth of information provided
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 25 May 2012,23:31i said it before and i will say it again
most times we have to work at 95% quality
that extra 5% in finesses doubles most jobs
haggis puts his camera where his mouth is and its hard to fault his work,same with most on here
but in the real world we have to work within client/or subbie budgets
so sometime the work has to be 100% for joe public but only 95% to our eye
I often feel I have OCD as even in the pub tonight i spot stuff out of level,or skewhiff?
Posted by lutonlagerlout on 25 May 2012,23:51pablo
personally i dont like the change from angular to arc
but sheesh mate ,we are talking design here
the installation is perfecto
I think if you are following the squints on the Victorian conservatory then keep all the angle the same
but easy to say from here
also would rather have seen the random pattern continue its flow but again that is personal taste
that double brick arch over the gate is an effing disgrace,I know you didnt do it but look at the voussoirs in that arch==> a tragedy
neo nice work fella
i count fence myself and it all looks great,I have to break pablos balls as him and mickg do the dogs diddlys on the lock blocking so we have to keep a keen eye on them
thing is all of us no matter how good or bad we are are willing to learn(well 99%)
john i looked back and myself dave L and seanandruby all joined back then
i was sick of hearing bollox of site agents etc and looking for a real answer
tony mcC is indeed a living legend,but I will never agree that black mortar looks good
Posted by seanandruby on 26 May 2012,07:40
Isn't jealousy a terrible thing. Give credit where credit is due i always say
Posted by mickg on 26 May 2012,08:15it is indeed sean
I recall the photo's your grandson posted for you a while back and they may of been on a grand scale with the size of the job your working on compared to our small scale domestic work but the workmanship was spectacular and neatness like that can't be bought either, its a skill of which you certainly excel in sean
Posted by john on 26 May 2012,10:00Chester races today for staggy any tips
Chester still owes me from last year
Pesky horses-better get the sun cream out or I'll look like a lollipop