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Posted: 07 May 2017,20:23 QUOTE

Hi Guys

I have seen many people screed their grit sand than lay the pavers, including their edger course.  They then cut everything in and concrete the edgers after. Is this bad practice?
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Posted: 07 May 2017,21:41 QUOTE

If you mean just a hunch on the side then yes

I've always before stone up set edgings/blocks on concrete and haunch as i go
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Posted: 08 May 2017,03:26 QUOTE

yes mate,but it generally means they wont be short of type 1 or grit sand
edgings first is the correct way
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Posted: 09 May 2017,11:44 QUOTE

Restraining edges courses Right and Wrong ways

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Posted: 11 May 2017,19:15 QUOTE

As an amateur I have always done edges first on concrete but all the paving companies round my way dont bed the edges they just haunch them, they look great when new as the edges and main body of paving are perfectly flush with each other, if done the correct way its not easy as an amateur to get the main body of paving to compact down to the exact same level of your edges when they are on concrete, I guess this is where experience comes in.
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Posted: 11 May 2017,20:41 QUOTE

You just have to allow few mm for compaction.
Haunching in the side does not last sure its quicker but its not a proper restraint and will fail sooner rather than later. There is a lad near me advertising at 75 m2 not including muckaway and from the pictures I've seen is just a haunch more than likely just sharp sand and cement comes with a ten year warranty but will they be going in a few years let alone 10
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Posted: 11 May 2017,23:23 QUOTE

I prefer to use a proper 150x50 flat top edging set first
not as quick but a proper job to my mind
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Posted: 11 May 2017,23:30 QUOTE

I'm with you on that but it is far quicker than laying blocks on concrete
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Posted: 12 May 2017,07:05 QUOTE

Is it about speed, or quality  ???
I'm more the take your time do it once sort of worker  :;):


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Posted: 12 May 2017,17:02 QUOTE

^^ with Sean here,I wont do it  if its not worth doing and to my mind a 150mm edging on 150mm of concrete is a lot more structurally sound than a 50 mm block on 100Mm of leanmix made from grit sand and cement

as said elsewhere loads lay the area cut it in then haunch it
pure shite

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Posted: 14 May 2017,18:57 QUOTE

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....the paving companies round my way dont bed the edges they just haunch them, they look great when new ....

....but that is an incorect and unacceptable construction that *will* fail eventually. It's the work of cowboys, rogues and incompetents.

It may well look effective when new, but there are very well-established reasons why it is not the correct way to do the job, and they are explained on the page I referenced earlier in this thread.

If there is to be any integrity at all in the paving trade, it is exactly this sort of practice that needs to be condemned and stamped out.


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Posted: 16 May 2017,09:39 QUOTE

Very interesting all the points made, It looks good when finished but by the time it starts to fail which could be two years they are gone and so is your money.
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Posted: 26 May 2017,23:10 QUOTE

Quote (Tony McC @ 14 May 2017,18:57)
Quote (lodge @ 11 May 2017,20:15)
....the paving companies round my way dont bed the edges they just haunch them, they look great when new ....

....but that is an incorect and unacceptable construction that *will* fail ureventually. It's the work of cowboys, rogues and incompetents.

It may well look effective when new, but there are very well-established reasons why it is not the correct way to do the job, and they are explained on the page I referenced earlier in this thread.

If there is to be any integrity at all in the paving trade, it is exactly this sort of practice that needs to be condemned and stamped out.

Your preaching to the converted, I understand its bad practice which is why myself even as an amateur have never done it and use the method this site recommends, I was pointing out its the so called professionals that are doing it round my way and they get job after job after job on the same street as when the paving is newly laid it looks impressive to the untrained eye, they appear very proud of it as they erect a huge sign in every drive they pave.
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Posted: 27 May 2017,07:04 QUOTE

We have a similar problem round here. Some firm turned up, sponsered every roundabout going, even set up a shop selling block paving, every drive they do is rushed, bad cutting in,drainage installed that isnt connected to anything, cheap foreign national labour, people go for them as they are cheap. When they are long gone, we all have to pick up the pieces as usual

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Posted: 27 May 2017,08:08 QUOTE

I see them round our way too Dan, its a shame because they have kit,and the poor lads (slaves) work bloody hard,but its all about doing the drive in a day,get paid  and offski
untill the law comes down hard on them they will continue to do so
I like the way they do it in texas
life means life
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Posted: 27 May 2017,08:57 QUOTE

Wow that's a bit extreme but maybe if similar was done here it would set an example and deter others from similar practice.

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Posted: 27 May 2017,09:09 QUOTE

It's not just the do as you likies. It is happening on new builds all the time. Some ( not all )  firms are turning a blind eye to rough work. I see cut blocks at 10 ml wide going in along edges, around manholes etc: large gaps filled with sand. 300,000+ prices of an house should expect better quality.

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Posted: 27 May 2017,13:41 QUOTE

...but have you seen what they are paying for that type of work, Sean?

A mate of mine was offered the driveways on a development of 200+ houses thrown up by a well-known national name. Sub-base of varying quality plopped in place by the on-site groundworker, so S&F retaining edges courses, laying course, basic tumbled block, jointing, cutting-in and all labour - 21 quid/m, and 60 days wait until paid.

We were getting more than that from a national housebuilder with a predilection for helicopters back in 1997!!!

That's why you get crap quality work - pay peanuts, and you get monkeys.


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Posted: 27 May 2017,15:30 QUOTE

...but when the layers are already employed and on a day rate no matter what they do...paving, pipe laying etc: then it's a given that you do a quality job  ???  Most of the block paving is subbed out and guys do a good job.

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