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Posted: 05 Aug. 2008,12:30 QUOTE

well, as you know I'm trying to get my paving done asap.
I had building control round the other day, to sign off my extension.
They wouldn't, they wanted trickle vents in the window frames before they would sign it off.
But, check this also.

The inspector came around seen my wacked hardcore, blocks and sand at the ready and said,
" I would also like to see the step built before I sign off the work"

when I asked why, he said because the hardcore level is 680mm from my floor level and the regs allow 700mm and under.
" I am under then and ok" I said.

he said
" non the less, I would still like to see the step please"

I practically built the extension myself, except the brick and roof and this inspector has been on my case since I put spade to soil.
But this time I reckon he want a clue on how to do his own step , no way am I directing him here though, he can struggle on the awkward B*$%^
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Posted: 05 Aug. 2008,12:50 QUOTE

check your plans you might have to put disabled access ramp in lot of councils specify these now he might be trying to catch you out

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Posted: 05 Aug. 2008,12:58 QUOTE

/smacks head in despair :(  :(

well, the step's built, a 2 step arrangement levelled at dpc and bevelled for run off.
He's due tomorrow and if he pulls the old ramp nonsense it will put me over the edge and I dread to think what will occour, I have patience and understanding, but I do also have violent mood swings lol, usually focused in my right fist. lol
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Posted: 05 Aug. 2008,20:25 QUOTE

.....then let someone else talk to him because you are worked up even before the verdict. from experience, its not worth the hag.

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Posted: 05 Aug. 2008,20:27 QUOTE

.....then let someone else talk to him because you are worked up even before the verdict. from experience, its not worth the hag.

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Posted: 05 Aug. 2008,20:33 QUOTE

Best of luck, Podge.

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Posted: 07 Aug. 2008,09:24 QUOTE

pass :;):
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Posted: 10 Sep. 2008,07:32 QUOTE

has just been on breakfast news on bbc1 saying will add 300 to a 5000 drive and you'll need planning permission for non permeable drive in certain areas. was very general and comments like have a gravel drive instead etc.

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Posted: 10 Sep. 2008,18:17 QUOTE

i would like to see them enforce it
just a side note some time ago i installed a gravel drive at home,i am pretty fed up with it now,every time i wheel spin off the drive the stones fly everywhere :cool:
anyway the problem is this,in anticipation of blocking it at some future point (now)i laid acos round the front of the house 150 mm below dpc.
i also laid an edging to the pavement
these two datums are exactly level :(
so i either have a gully in the centre of the drive?
of have a slight hump?
or lay it all level and see what happens?
your thoughts please?
cheers LLL :)


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Posted: 10 Sep. 2008,18:34 QUOTE

Quote (GB_Groundworks @ 10 Sep. 2008,07:32)
has just been on breakfast news on bbc1 saying will add 300 to a 5000 drive and you'll need planning permission for non permeable drive in certain areas. was very general and comments like have a gravel drive instead etc.

Bollocks it will add 300 to a 5000 drive! Where do these mugs get their figures from.
I,ll be really pissed if this does come into effect, especially as local to me the ground is clay so won't even work anyway,with the next choice being an attenuation system which will probably add 5k to a 5k drive!

Luton
raise the first meter by however much is needed so the front falls away and the rest back to the house,done properly it will look fine.


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Posted: 11 Sep. 2008,13:42 QUOTE

Definately coming in :(

sounds like theres a loophole in the respect you can drain onto a lawn/ bed and i assume soakaway.

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/england/genpub/en/1115316438436.html


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Posted: 11 Sep. 2008,14:11 QUOTE

I, too, was gobsmacked by that eejit claiming the cost diff was a paltry 300 quid (6%). The blocks alone account for more than that. Do you think, perhaps, that he was blagged by the installer? However, I have noticed a number of 'comments' and media pieces over the last month or so that are vastly under-estimating the cost implications of all this, and you begin to wonder if there isn't some sort of conspiracy to convince the public that it's greedy contractors being opportunistic and bumping up the price. Most *genuine* costings I've seen over the summer vary from 20-50% cost increases compared to conventional block paving.

Anyway, a day later than promised, the government has finally published the "Guidance" and, while it's not as bad as might have been feared, it's a long way short of what it should have been, and I can't help feeling that more credence was given to those experts in construction, the RHS, than to contractors and paving specialists.

You can read about the document, and download your own copy, via the News page on this site.

The phrase "clear as mud" springs to mind.


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Posted: 11 Sep. 2008,14:34 QUOTE

So if we install none permable paving with a hidden soakaway how will they know this complies? Do they have to come and inspect the soakaway as you construct it? They do say any non permable paving over 5sq m needs planning application is this true if you install a soakaway or "rain garden" etc?
:(  Very confusing


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Posted: 11 Sep. 2008,14:52 QUOTE

I am in the midst of doubling the area of impermeable paving in my front garden. The sub base and kerbs have been in for some time. Do you think I can carry on past Oct 1st? I already had to get Planning 2 years ago to widen the drive entrance

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Posted: 11 Sep. 2008,18:00 QUOTE

Injured makes a valid point. One of my concerns going back to when this scheme was announced is the fact that ours is a largely unregulated trade and the customer has to be able to trust the installer to carry out the more-expensive-than-normal work in a professional manner. That creates the conditions that are ripe for exploitation, and, as we all know, there are far too many cowboys out there willing to exploit such a situation.

Regarding the 5m condition, my reading of the guidance is that, as long as the paving is permeable, or drained to a suds installation or some description (rain garden, soakaway, etc.) planning permission will NOT be required. The only situation the would require PP seems to be an impermeable pavement draining onto a public highway. As I say in the news article, the possibility of draining into the existing SW system is not made clear.

Derekoak - I'd say that you'd be OK to carry on.


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Posted: 11 Sep. 2008,18:12 QUOTE

Hi All

Am i right in thinking this new legislation comes into place as of Oct 1st.  Im starting, and hopefully finishing mine on w/c 22nd Sept.  Booked the week off work and everything for it........

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Posted: 11 Sep. 2008,18:26 QUOTE

Yep - October 1st is implementation date, giving 20,000 landscape and paving contractors a whole two weeks and six days to change their business plans and working practices.

Is there any other industry that would allow itself to be treated so shabbily?


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Posted: 11 Sep. 2008,18:37 QUOTE

just another inspired process and decision from the fools we allow run our country.......
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Posted: 11 Sep. 2008,18:58 QUOTE

I was just about to post a reply giving the pdf tont has.

I must admit that after reading that i,m much less worried.
Basically in their eyes permeable means that as long as the water is contained in the property by means of gravel,permeable paving,rain garden,bed,lawn or soakaway then theres no problem.

So i will just fit soakaways or drain to bed/lawn etc.
If the ground is bad clay which will not drain at all then i will fit an overflow at the top of the soakaway which can connect to the storm drain.
This is how i have read it. I ve had a long discussion with calvin from brett technical and we both have read it that way.

I think its only a case of planning permission if the water drains into a road(which your not meant to do anyway) or potentially a storm drain.

I think we will all be ok. (i hope anyway)


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Posted: 11 Sep. 2008,19:05 QUOTE

Tony
In your arcticle you state
'Both modular and monolithic paving will now cost more, but the document makes no mention whatsoever regarding this, which leaves the poor old contractor to explain to the customer why their driveway is now going to cost 20-50% more than was thought originally. '

Yes permeable paving will cost more however i really dont believe many will be doing it at all. A simple soakaway will suffice in most cases costing maybe a couple of hundred extra.


Again how are they going to police this?
They cant really can they.


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