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Land drainage - Matthew Trounce - Jan 11th 2001 | ||||
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We have an extremely waterlogged 1/3 acre garden in a rural part of North Somerset. Drainage for the house and garden is wholly inadequate and is serviced solely by a small but flowing ditch alongside the 100 year old property that flows into the IDB rhine system.
We are only 7 metres above sea level, 1 mile from the coast and due to the current weather conditions the water table is approximately 300mm under the lawn (an improvement on November's position of 300mm above the lawn!) We have concluded that we need to land drain the garden into a concrete sump and then, due to the levels, mechanically pump out to the dich and away. Is there an ideal level below the surface to set the drainage pipes to give maximum effect and minimum pumping and is there an optimum size of sump? Clearly the water table will drop in the summer but I suspect that the pump will be pretty busy through the winter months. Is there any advantage in using the sump capacity or will it just silt up in not fully pumped out? |
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Tony McCormack - Jan 11th 2001 | ||||
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The trouble with building a sump at such a low-lying location is that you could end up pumping forever and a day and getting nowhere. The most obvious outfall is to the ditch, but if that is tidal, or just not coping with current conditions, then that could turn out to be a waste of time.
For gardens, it's usually recommended that pipes have at least 450mm of cover. As for size of sump, that will depend on just how effectively it can be pumped clear. The trouble is that, as you drain your garden and store it in the sump, the groundwater in the surrounding land will most likely drain into your garden along the hydrostatic gradient created by the sump, and so, theoretically, you're draining not just your patch of one-third acre, but all the adjacent land, which could be 2, 3 maybe even 5 acres. You really need to bring in a local drainage consultant to survey the site and advise you accordingly. I can't suggest any guaranteed solution without being familiar with the site, and Somerset is a bit off my patch, unless you can wait for the summer, when we usually have a week-long break with friends in North Devon. |
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Grass Paving Systems - John Morris - Jan 17th 2001 | ||||
| First of all congratulations on an excellent web site, askjeeves found you. Is it possible / advisable in practice to lay plastic grass paving (such as turf guard etc) directly onto compacted soil ie without using a hard core sub-base. Also having laid the structure is it possible / advisable to lay turf on top or do you have to seed it. | |||||
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Tony McCormack - Jan 17th 2001 | ||||
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It's really not advisable to lay any of the proprietary grass systems on compacted earth. They really do need a sub-base if you intend to traffic them, otherwise they'll sink or break. A
Also, you should follow the manufacturers recommendations for filling with top-soil and the grass mixture. Ordinary turf could cause problems, especially if laid directly over the system units. All the grass paving systems rely on carefully designed components, which includes the sub-base, the rootzone and even the seed mix. You can't afford to cut corners, otherwise you compromise the system integrity. |
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50 mm paviors - John@aintree.paving - Feb 4th 2001 | ||||
| Why dont you use 50mm block paviors on 50mm compacted sand.This is suggested by all manuals everywhere. You suggest 60mm on 35-50mm sand .Do you think there is potential for a little give in the ground for 50mm sand. | |||||
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Tony McCormack - Feb 4th 2001 | ||||
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50mm pavers do not comply to the relevant BS for concrete block paving for public highways. They are intended solely for residential driveways and patios, where they are generally fine. However, we obtain the 60mm BS compliant blocks for a matter of coppers more per m2 than the 50mm blocks, and further, we prefer the aesthetic finish of the 60mm block from a certain manufacturer to that of their 50mm block.
The "all manuals everywhere" to which you refer must be the sales brochures put out by the manufacturers of the 50mm blocks to serve the residential and diy market - if you look at the actual standards and codes of practice published by and for the construction industry, you will find that 60mm blocks or thicker are stipulated for the vast majority of works. I would hazard a guess that you are not overly familiar with highway construction using concrete block paving, preferring to concentrate on contracting to the 'driveways' market, where these thinner units are a popular cost-saving item. As for bed depth, 35-50mm is a typical specification. If a contractor can create a satisfactory pavement using a 35mm bed of sand, then why go to the extra trouble and expense of using 50mm depth? 35mm has been shown to provide an adequate 'cushion' between sub-base and paver, although, in practice, most contractors will aim for a bed averaging 42-48mm in compacted depth. |
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Waterlogged garden - Kate Paterson - Feb 5th 2001 | ||||
| We have recently moved into a house in Odiham, built in 1988, that seems to have a very waterlogged clay garden. The garden is at present totally undeveloped so we have great plans for it, including a patio. It is a mid-terraced house, and water from the roof is drained via pipes at the back of the house underground. All the water inside the house drains to the front of the house.The garden slopes towards the house,and we are puzzled by a drain cover at the higher end of the garden (away from the house). Does anyone have a clue what this might be? How do we find out whether the water from the roof is draining into this? Who do I approach to advise me locally regarding necessary drainage for the garden without leaving it dry and hard in the summer? Is this something I am likely to be able to figure out myself (with no experience, but lots of enthusiasm!)Please save me from the mud and reply! | |||||
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Tony McCormack - Feb 7th 2001 | ||||
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Kate said......
we are puzzled by a drain cover at the higher end of the garden (away from the house). Does anyone have a clue what this might be? If you are part of an estate, it could be an access chamber to the main drainage system. On such a modern property, your local authority will have drainage plans on record at their offices. How do we find out whether the water from the roof is draining into this? Easy! Have you got any childrens' poster paint? Fill ahousehold or mop bucket with water and add a generous dollop of the paint to the water, sufficient to distictively colour it. Then, while a friend or partner keeps their eye on the channel in the mystery inspection chamber (IC), you can empty the coloured water into one of the gullies or pick-up points that takes water from the roof. If the coloured water appears in the IC, then you know the two are connected. You can also buy special drain tracing dye from builders' merchants that do the same thing. Who do I approach to advise me locally regarding necessary drainage for the garden without leaving it dry and hard in the summer? Is this something I am likely to be able to figure out myself. A local builder or drainage contractor is your best bet, Kate. There's some basic guidance to installing land drainage on this site, and there's a faq I wrote for uk.rec.gardening entitled Improving Clay Soil HERE which you may find useful. |
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Laying Terracotta Tiles - John House - Feb 8th 2001 | ||||
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The path in my garden is covered in red terracotta tiles each about 5" square and 1" thick. I guess that they're about the same age as the house (Victorian) and in places they've lifted up and some have cracked.
I'd like to re-lay them, but am not sure what sort of bedding layer to use? Should I treat them like patio flags or follow a different technique. The current base looks like some sort of concrete mix. |
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Tony McCormack - Feb 8th 2001 | ||||
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They need to be treated as tiles rather than flags/slabs, John. Take them up, clean them off and set them to one side. Break out the old concrete bed and dispose before laying a new concrete base for the tiles, keeping it around 12-20mm low. Once the concrete has set, they can be relaid using a mortar bed or one of the special outdoor/quarry tile adhesives sold at most Builders' Merchants.
They are lovely old things, those tiles, and well worth keeping hold of. Good luck! :~) |
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Patio Plan - Anomymous - Feb 24th 2001 | ||||
| I've got 2 patio areas 690cm x 190cm and 425cm x 300cm and am trying to come up with a design which fits 3 size sones all 55 wide by 42, 55, 70. As you look at the patio doors to from left to right it goes 73 then rasied step 102 x 43 then the remainder 250 to make up 425. Can anyone help on how to come up with a plan. | |||||
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Tony McCormack - Feb 24th 2001 | ||||
| You can create a plan using any simple graphics program. Plot out the area to be paved to any convenient scale, say 1 pixel=1cm, and then create rectangles to represent the flagstones at the same scale. Once you've done that, it's a simple matter of 'drag and drop' to arrange the rectangles into the most suitable pattern. | |||||
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Block Paved Driveway for Van - Chris - Feb 28th 2001 | ||||
| I am just about to lay a new driveway in Driveline 50 blocks and have been advised to make the sub base out of road planings 200mm thick is this really necessary as all the articles i have read say 100mm. I do intend to park a van on this drive and the soil is clay. | |||||
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Tony McCormack - Feb 28th 2001 | ||||
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Do NOT use road planings - they can turn to mush if they get saturated. 100-150mm of DTp1 granular sub-base will cost you only a few coppers more and will give a more reliable foundation than owld road planings - leave them to the farmers for patching up their access tracks!
Given you're using a van, I'd be tempted to go for a 150mm thick sub-base, rather than 100mm. You only lay a sub-base once, and it is the load-bearing layer for the entire pavement - might as well get it right first time. :~) |
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Shed Base - Ivan - Mar 5th 2001 | ||||
| I need to lay a base for a timber shed. 2m by 2.5m. I have been told by my farther not worry about digging out the ground and setting a sub base of ballast/hardcore etc. but to lay the concrete direct on the earth - will this work? | |||||
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Tony McCormack - Mar 5th 2001 | ||||
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Depends what the existing ground is like, Ivan. There's no need to go to loads of effort for a shed base; if you're planning on having a concrete base, then I'd suggest digging down 150mm, blinding the sub-grade with 50mm or so of DTp1 or grit sand, covering that with a sheet of 1200 gauge visqueen and then your 100mm concrete.
If the existing ground is suspect in anyway, then it might be worth putting in a decent sub-base to bear the weight of the concrete and the shed, plus all its inevitable paraphernalia, but in 99 cases out of 100, the above will be more than adequate. |
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Lawn Drainage - Sian Baron - Mar 9th 2001 | ||||
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I have got dreadful problems with surface water in my garden. The soil is clay and the garden slopes towards the house. whether it rains for a couple of hours or a couple of days makes no difference, the water lies on top of the grass in large pools, and runs onto the patio completely submerging it.
I have had several builders and landscape gardeners opinions ranging from rotavating sand into the soil to laying perforated clay pipes to using Teramm(?). Every opinion has conflicted with the next and I am now at a complete loss as to what course of action would be appropriate. Can you make any suggestions or give your opinion on the advice I have already had? |
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Tony McCormack - Mar 9th 2001 | ||||
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I doubt that incorporating sand into the soil will, on its own, alleviate your waterlooging problem, but used in conjunction with a land drain system, it could be of benefit, in that it will improve the soil structure.
The perforated pipe is probably the best solution, but you need to have somewhere to where these pipes can outfall, such as a sewer system, preferably a surface water system, or a ditch, stream etc. I doubt that a soakaway is going to be feasible given the conditions you report. Terram is a brand name for a range of geo-membranes and drianage composites. The primary use for the Terram geo-membrane in the land-drainage business is to line land-drain trenches in order to prevent infiltration of small particles of siilt, clay, etc. that can clog the system. The drainage composites are used for fin-drains and are being used successfully on commercial drainage schemes, but I've never used them on a residential scheme; I suspect the price would be prohibitive. In your situation, I would look at using an 80mm dia perforated flexible plastic pipe, as described in the land drainage section of this site. It's cheap, simple to install, and highly effective. |
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Block paving my driveway - Geoff L - Mar 10th 2001 | ||||
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Tony I have two queries which you may able to help with.
1/ I plan to take up my existing tarmac drive which is in good condition. My question is would it be ok to just remove the tarmac off the existing g s b sub-base and use this sub-base after leveling any areas disturbed in the removal of the tarmac. I have dug a trial hole and found aprrox 80 to 100mm of tarmac and approx 150mm of g s b sub-base. 2/ My other question is, the drive is bounded by the house wall and a garden wall with a space of 3530mm between them. I plan to use 200 x 100 x 50mm blocks laid in 90 degree herring bone pattern, I also want to lay a soldier course around the outside. Using an equal no: of blocks this will leave as 30mm gap what is the best way to deal with this. Should I leave a 15mm gap either side and fill the space with sand and cement or could you suggest a better solution. |
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Tony McCormack - Mar 10th 2001 | ||||
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1 - yes, you can, and should, use the existing sub-base, after doing any regrading work that is required. As it's been in place for umpteen years, you know that it's sound, that it's settled as much a sit is likely to, and there's no point in forking out for new. Once you've got it cleared and re-graded, just run over it a few tuimes with a roller/wacker plate to tighten it up again.
2 - Flamin' 'eck! That's all a bit precise. It'd be a miracle if you *did* end up with a 30mm gap, as you've not allowed for the theoretical 3mm joint between each of the blocks. ;~) On most jobs of this nature (bounded by fixed objects such as walls), it's not uncommon to end up with a situation where cut blocks are required. There's a fairly detailed discussion on cutting-in in the block paving section of my site, but just remember the golden rule: no block less than 1/3 of a full block. Don't be making up any fillets of mortar; it looks unprofessional and they inevitably crack. Use the cutting-in procedures I describe and the job will be so much better for it. |
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Residential Drive - Paul King - Mar 10th 2001 | ||||
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Before stating my problems, well done on this website, it has so much useful well presented information, Thank you.
Having bought a cottage with a trashed drive two years ago, I now want to get a good drive in place, the heaviest vehicles to go up it will be my 8.5tonne JCB and a small massey Fergy tractor. The soil is mainly Clay. Which construction method should I choose residential Drive or Commercial ? and where should I look to get my bricks for the drive, I have been quoted .90p per brick and as the area is 1310 sq mtrs that would be too much. The Cottage is stone as you can see on the website so anything you suggest that is in keeping would be very appreciated. |
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Tony McCormack - Mar 10th 2001 | ||||
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Given the largish vehicles you've got tracking up and down the proposed drive, combined with the fact that you have your own JCB, I'd suggest you go for a heavier construction. A 225-300mm sub-base should be fine, as long as the sub-grade is sound and that the DTp1 is properly compacted. 225mm thickness can be laid as one layer, but *must* be compacted with a decent roller, NOT a wacker plate; if you go for 300mm, llay it as 2 layers, and compact the first before placing and compacting the second. Again, use a roller such as a Bomag 90 rather than a wacker plate, unless it's one of the beefy plates. A standard paving plate is fine for the actual blockwork, but the sub-base needs thorough compaction.
And don't be tempted to use 50mm blocks; get the proper 60mm stuff, or, if you can get a ood price, the 80mm blocks. 90p per block is ridiculous - you can get quality 200x100x60mm concrete blocks for less than 9 quid per m2 (18p per block), but you may prefer something a little more 'traditional', such as the Tegula by Marshalls, or the Priory range from RMC, which will both cost you around 15-17 quid per m2. At 1300+ m2, you might be able to buy direct from the manufacturer. Certainly, RMC are fairly amenable to direct selling of full loads for cash up front, but Marshalls prefer everyone to go via a BM. I'd get at least 3 BMs to quote you for the supply - try 2 larger national firms, eg Jewson and TP, and get a smaller local firm to quote as well; they will often do you a better rate than the big boys in order to get your business. Lovely cottage, by the way - whereabouts are you? You should build those great photos into a proper web page. :~) |
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Block Paving over concrete - Ken - Mar 13th 2001 | ||||
| I would like to know if i can lay block paving bricks onto any existing concrete drive | |||||
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Tony McCormack - Mar 14th 2001 | ||||
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Yes, you can lay block paving over an existing concrete driveway, but there are a couple of things you need to watch out for.
Firstly, if the paving runs against the house or the garage, you must make sure that the top of the block paving will be at least 150mm below any damp proof course (dpc). Bear in mind that the blockwork and the bedding sand are likely to add up to 100mm of depth, so you'll need the existing concrete to be at least 250mm below dpc, otherwise, you're running the risk of creating damp problems within the property itself. Secondly, you need to make some provision for draining the bedding sand that is, effectively, sandwiched between the concrete and the paving blocks. If the bedding layer becomes saturated, it can become fluid which can lead to rutting, settlement or worse. Make sure there are regular 'breaks' in the concrete base, preferably channels cut out approx 100mm wide that will allow any water held within the beddoing layer to drain away to to the sub-grade. On commercial applications, we often incorporate a length of perforated drain specifically to carry away the excess groundwater held by the bedding layer, but this may not be feasible on a residential project. Apart from the above, you simply treat the existing concrete as the sub-base layer and follow the guidance given elsewhere on my site. Hope that helps. Good luck! |
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Flexible Perforated Pipe Conundrum - Tony Dobbyn - Mar 24th 2001 | ||||
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Well done on the site. It is refreshing to see a fine, easily read, yet comprehensive site.
And so to the conundrum. If Flexible Perforated Pipe has holes all over but particularly in it's lower surface how does it 'carry' the water away? Surely the water simply flows in through some of the holes and out through the lower holes and so cannot be any more effective at land drainage than a sponge or a wet towel. I have tried the hose test and not been impressed. Is there more to this piping than meets the eye? |
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Tony McCormack - Mar 27th 2001 | ||||
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The perforated pipe works by providing a conduit along which groundwater can flow. Imagine that the surrounding soil/backfill/pipe-bedding is saturated, that is, it is so chock-full with water that there is an actual pressure generated - this is known as hydrostatic pressure.
Now, if you introduce a pipe that has a big empty space in the middle of it, the water will flow into that space, thereby reducing the hydrostatic pressure in the surrounding material. It doesn't escape out of the pipe through the perforations because the hydrostatic pressure on the outside is still greater than that within the pipe, and so any water acquired by the pipe will flow, under gravity, along the pipe to some point of outfall. It's all simple physics, really. :~) |
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Clay paviors/screed bars - John@aintree.paving - Mar 26th 2001 | ||||
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1-How do you cut a diagonal on a marshalls clay paviour.Me diamond blade just bouncers of them.My block cutter breaks the block and I used two concrete blades on 4 cuts. Luckily I only had a small radius but dread the job if it is going to involve more than about 20 cuts unless they are in half.
2-what do you recomend for your screed bars.I use scaffold tubes which I find very good as they dont bend or warp like timber bust are a pain to carry around. Would electricians conduit bend and what would you say would be the best thickness. 3-Would you advocate the use of a petrol auger for digging fence holes as a speedy method.My only concern is the hole although being tight would not allow much space for concrete. |
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Tony McCormack - Mar 27th 2001 | ||||
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1 - use a masonry bench saw, if you have a lot of cuts to do in clay pavers. There are special splitters available with separate tungsten teeth rather than a top and lower blade, that are alleged to be more efficient for clay pavers.
The most difficult cuts in clays are those requiring a cut of more than 30 degrees from square, and the only viable answer is a the masonry saw, even at 60-75 quid for a couple of days, they are much quicker and less wasteful than any other method. 2 - Do you mean the trammel bars for establishing levels? We use 4.5m lengths of 20mm dia stainless steel conduit or 15x25mm U-section bars. They need to be kept flat to prevent twisting or bending, so don't just carry them on a transit roof rack! 3 - Not unless the soil was a light loam and completely free of stones, bricks, roots or other impediments. A machine-mounted auger is fine, but the hand-held yokes, even the two-man jobbies, are a waste of time. |
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Steve Stiansen - Apr 8th 2001 | ||||
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On the diamond blade wear, I would look into what type of blade you are using. There are many different types of blades out there, and each is meant for different material. Using a blade not meant for clay could be one of the problems.
Also, not sure exactly, but are you cutting wet or dry? Using a wet table masonry saw may also help to increase the blade length, along with making those difficult angle cuts much easier. As for screed rails, I do a quite a bit of work with interlocking concrete paving stones, and use electrical conduit for my rails. I use a 1 inch (250mm) diam. rail. I use the heaviest grade available, and have no problems with it flexing or bending. As for the auger, anything hand-held is a pain, even the gas type 2 man models. Your best bet is a tractor mount/skidsteer mount, and augers of varying diameters are readily available. |
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Garage base - Stuart Woodrow - Mar 28th 2001 | ||||
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I have laid my own garage base using a barrow mix supplier, my problem is that this dealer has not put enough concrete in the mix and the top in parts is quite loose if you rub your foot over it.
Is there a way of making the surface hard or will I have to put another lare of concrete over the top? |
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Tony McCormack - Mar 27th 2001 | ||||
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The first thing I would suggest is that you get the concrete supplier back to see what they have to say about the sub-standard concrete. If this base has been down for more than 7 days, you should NOT be able to scuff the top surface, full stop!
This phenomenon is not always because of inadequate cement content; it can be caused by contamination of the concrete, or exposure to heavy rain and/or frosts, but whatever, I would get the contractor back and pressurise them to replace it at their own expense. Other than with freshly poured concrete, there is no magic ingredient you can apply to the surface that will render it hard enough for your purposes. If you get nowhere with your supplier, you might be able to scabble off the loose surface material and replace it with a 25mm thick screed of a granolithic mortar, bonded to the underlying concrete. See the concretes page for more info on granolithic mortars. |
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Geo-textiles - John@aintree.paving - Mar 29th 2001 | ||||
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If money was no object then would you put a membrane under your crushher run as an added protection on a driveway to stop the sub base sinking into the subsoil.?
You say in your notes that they form little use beneath a driveway but I suspect you only mean a gravel drive. I see it as a selling point when pricing up a job and surely a driveway would never settle if its layers cant go anywhere. |
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Tony McCormack - Apr 2nd 2001 | ||||
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It all depends on the competence of the sub-grade. For most domestic driveways, be they blockwork, gravel, bitmac or anything else, there is not usually any need for a geo-membrane unless the sub-grade is particularly weak, there are pernicious weeds, such as Japanese Knotweed (Polygonum japonicum), or other extreme circumstances.
Geo-membranes should never be used as a substitute for sound preparation. If I had the choice between increasing the thickness of a sub-base to, say, 150mm from 100m, or using a geo-membrane, I'd go for the thickness increase everytime. |
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DPC - Patrick Regan - Apr 2nd 2001 | ||||
| Someone has told me that I need my driveway to be 7 inches below my damp proof course is this a regulation or is it just good practice? | |||||
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Tony McCormack - Apr 2nd 2001 | ||||
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It should be 6 inches - 150mm below dpc. It is a regulation for new properties, but a very, very strong recommendation for existing properties. If your paving is NOT 150mm below dpc, a good surveyor will pick up on this when (if) you come to sell the property and it could cause problems with the sale. Worse than that, it can cause problems with damp in the walls, primarily because of splash-back from the paving breaching the dpc.
Don't risk it - you only need to lay good paving once, so do it right! :~) |
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Patrick Regan - Apr 6th 2001 | ||||
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Thanks for the response, one more question though...
Does this apply to Decking ? What are the regs regarding decking? |
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Tony McCormack - Apr 9th 2001 | ||||
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Cobbles by the sheet - Alan Arnett - Apr 6th 2001 | ||||
| Recently (in a magazine I now can't find) I seem to recall seeing that someone is manufacturing small cobble or sett type products on a 'backing sheet or net' so that you could lay them more easily, rather like the way you can buy mosaic tiles. Anyone have any ideas who and where I can look at some? | |||||
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Tony McCormack - Apr 9th 2001 | ||||
| The product to which you refer is probably 'Carpet Stones'. There are contact details in the links section of my site, annd you might be able to see them 'in the flesh' at your local B&Q Warehouse. Be warned, though, they are bloody pricey!! | |||||
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Bedding course for flagstone patio - Steve Stiansen - Apr 7th 2001 | ||||
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Not sure if you guys let us 'dam americans' ask questions here, but if it is any consolation, this is one of the best sites I have come across in quite awhile. Great job! (even though the metric to english conversion thing has me plugging away at my calculator all the time)
Anyway, have a quick question. I am about to relay a previously installed bluestone/flagstone walk that was set on bedding sand alone. I am interested in trying to go with a dry bedding mixture, mixing some portland in, to help prevent future problems. I have never tried this before, but with the luck I have had in the past just setting in course sand, I want to try another method. My main problem is how do you mix the material? I am working alone, and will have to complete the project over a period of a few days, so want to know the best way to mix. Also, best way to go about installing the flagstone? They are in a random pattern, and varying thickness's. Would it be easyier to screed out a section first, then go in and 'remove' material as needed to make level, or would it be better to set each invidually? I can see problems with the overall flatness if I were to set each stone seperately, so thats why I thought screeding first would help, as it gives a good base reference to where each block needs to be. Ok, one other quick question. What is a good diameter for a circular drive? I am figureing 60ft (18.2 meters). The client wants a open circle (no island in middle). Wait....I just thougt of something, you have smaller cars over there, hmmm....this could change things! |
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Tony McCormack - Apr 9th 2001 | ||||
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Hi Steve,
Anyone can use this forum, regardless of their country of origin, although any advice I give, is based on UK methods and best practices, which may not be the same as those used in other parts of the world. You never know, there might be other US contractors reading this forum. As for preparing a dry bedding mix, we would typically mix enough to get us through a 'session', ie, a morning or an afternoon, rather than bulk mix enough material to cover the entire job. We use a portable mixer that churns out approximately 0.2 m3 per batch, sufficient to cover 4m2 at a time. Depending on the paving type being laid, we would expect to use 3-10 mixes per session. With regard to laying the flagstones, I'd suggest individual bedding, rather than screeding, using a taut string line to guide final level. Screeding in advance is fine for paving units of regular thickness but is wasted on units such as natural stone flags, unless they've been cut to a standard thickness, as osme of the modern pavings are. And the circular driveway, yes, I think our cars tend to be a bit smaller than what you are used to. The absolute minimum we would use for an arc is a 3 metre radius, but it all depends on the space available. Ideally, we prefer 4.5m or 6m radius. |
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Flag driveway - John@aintree.paving - Apr 16th 2001 | ||||
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I've been asked to lay Stonemarket millstone flags to a driveway,one half is take out tarmac drive,the other half is take out turf.
Would these be best laid on a concrete base or on hardcore with a sand cement screed(wet).I have to bear in mind the thickness is only 40mm and there are two cars running over them. |
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Tony McCormack - Apr 17th 2001 | ||||
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Hi again, John
The Millstones are a lovely flag, but they are not strong enough for a driveay, unless laid on a full concrete bed at least 100mm thick. Make sure there are no voids in the bedding and point with a decent mortar, a 3:1 should be fine, but use a silver sand and try adding a black dye; it looks much better with Millstone. We laid Millstone to a private driveway near Northwich about 5 years ago and have had a problem with wear. The drive is quite narrow, so there is little room for manoeuvre and consequently, two 'stripes' of wear have appeared, where the light-coloured agg has been exposed on the run-in to the garage. Might be best to advise your clients before they commit themselves. |
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- John@Aintree Paving - Apr 21st 2001 | ||||
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Thanks for that Tony.
Have you heard of a product called GEOFIX. It is jointing compound which can be brushed into the joints without staining the surfaces. It is by FEB and is an excellent product.The only draw back is it is about £30 for a box to cover 15m2 or £20 to cover 8m2.However I think it is worth its wait in gold and will see an end to the tedious job of pointing.It cuts the time down for pointing very considerably.I try and use it wherever possible. |
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Tony McCormack - Apr 22nd 2001 | ||||
| I've used Geofix on a couple of jobs, and found it to be ok-ish, but too costly for use on every job. We've used our own formula dry-mortar for years, and find that it is ok when brushed in on most regular joint-width flagging jobs, but still prefer a traditional black mortar for reclaimed yorkstone paving or riven copies. | |||||
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- John@Aintree Paving - Apr 24th 2001 | ||||
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In relation to my query over the millstone flags,
I have about 50m2 to lay.What quantities of concrete bedding mix ratios would you recommend. My estimate is approx 8 ton ballast and 30 25kg cement. Am I anywhere near it or to ambitious |
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Tony McCormack - Apr 25th 2001 | ||||
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50m2 @ 100mm thick is going to take 5m3 - I'd recommend bringing in ready-mix, say 2.5m3 in the morning and another 2,5m3 in the afternoon, or split it over 2 days, 3 m3 on the first, then a makeup of 2-2.5m3, depending on what you need, for the second day.
Hand mixing that quantity is a lot of work. 5m3 is around 12 tonnes dry weight - assuming you use a C7.5 equivalent, that's around 1.25-1.5 tonnes of OPC, 3.5-4 Tonnes of grit sand and 7-8 tonnes of gravel, which would cost almost as much as bringoing in ready-mix, plus you have to pay for a donkey to keep the mixer loaded while the tradesman is laying. |
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Designs - Ray - Apr 19th 2001 | ||||
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I must warn u that now ive found this site i'll be a right pest
Charcon woburn rumbled, i think i am going to go for the design on the front of their catalogue. its using two sizes large & med i believe but am not convinced. i phoned them to ask how do i work out the ratio of what to purchase for that pattern, i have approx. 45 m2 to lay. it does not say in the catalogue. after speaking to about 4 different people the last one put me on hold then mysteriously hung up??? so i tried later....still couldnt get an answer..then the last person said 3 packs of the large and 2 of the medium will give me about 42 m2. well to be quite honest im not convinced. ive been quoted £17.5/m2 inc. is this a good price? and can these blocks be laid in curves? cheers. |
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Tony McCormack - Apr 19th 2001 | ||||
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I assume you mean the 4-block pattern........
________ ........featured on the front of their latest catalogue. This uses equal numbers of the 200x134 blocks and the 134x134 blocks. Using basic maths.....
2 x (134x134) = 0.0359m2 (square blocks) .....and so, the ratio of each type of block is......
Squares = 0.0359 ÷ 0.0895 = 40% .....therefore, 40% of your total area needs to be square blocks and 60% needs to be rectangles. You state that you have 45m2 to pave, therefore you will need approx 18m2 of the square blocks and 27m2 of the rectangles, plus a bit extra for wastage. There are 9m2 per pack of the brindle squares, so 2 packs will give you the 18m2 you need and just over 9m2 per pck of brindle rectangles, so 3 packs will give you 27m2, just as the salesbod told you. However, this leaves no leeway for wastage. :~( As for laying in curves, do you mean curved soldier courses as shown on the front of their catalogue, or circles as on p10? Pricewise, I can't really comment, as the rate we pay as contractors tends to be slightly more favourable, but it depends on just whereabouts the work is located, particularly the distance from the nearest distribution plant. That price sounds fair for the quantity of work you have proposed. Good luck! |
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PIC Steps facing - Lennie - Apr 21st 2001 | ||||
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hi there u have replied to two of my queries and i have now agreed a price,seen the work of etc. for the job
now the problem - has anyone seen steps in pic (pattern inprinted concrete) and if so what was used for the facing, brick in a blended colour is the only suggestion from the contactor OR heavens forbid paint the concrete in a similar colour. p.s. thanks for the site without it i would have given up some time ago |
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Tony McCormack - Apr 22nd 2001 | ||||
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Hi Lenny,
from what I've seen of PIC jobs, they tend to use the block paving kerb units to form the riser of steps, and then use the PIC to form the tread. You could use almost anything, from engineering brick, stone cobbles/setts, edging kerbs or walling stone, depending on which pattern and colour scheme you have chosen |
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Combination slab & gravel - Paul Lautman - Apr 22nd 2001 | ||||
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My wife wants a garden laid with a combination of Riven slabs (600X600; 600X300 & 300X300) combined with gravel in-between the slabs.
What I need to know is: 1) What to bed the slabs on. It occurs to me that, if I lay them on sand and there is too much of a gap between them, the sand may get pushed out from underneath the slabs into the gravel filled gaps. 2) What is the optimum maximum "gravel filled" gap be between the slabs? 3) Is the thickness of a slab (1.5") enough of a depth for the gravel or do we need to create deeper gullies for the gravel to sit in? 4) Does 3 affect 2 and vice versa |
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Tony McCormack - Apr 22nd 2001 | ||||
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Hi Paul,
use a cementitious bed for the slabs. 1:10 cement:grit sand is usually strong enough, as you're not looking to create an incredibly tough bed, just to bind the sand sufficiently to prevent it from being washed out. No need to make a wet mix; a semi-dry mix is ideal, as it is less likely to stain your paving, gives you longer working time and is much, much easier to work with than a sloppy wet mix. There is (usually) enough natural moisture within the sands to initiate setting, but, if you have an exceptionally dry sand, you may need to add a little water, just enough to make it damo, not wet. The best sized gap between the slabs is really a matter of taste, but you will find that 100-150mm is usually the most pleasing to the eye. 1.5" = 35mm or so, which should be a deep enough channel for a 10mm or smaller gravel, but if you're using, say, an 18mm or bigger size, you may need to create a deeper channel, say 50mm. The size of the gravel does affect what size gap between slabs looks best, but it is still likely to be in the 100-150mm range; a bigger gravel suits a wider gap and vice-versa. Good luck! |
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Block Paving - Steve - Apr 23rd 2001 | ||||
| Hi, I've almost finished laying about 50 m2 of 60mm block paving using the 45 Herringbone pattern. Do you suggest that I put my kiln dry sand in before I whacker the blocks at all or should they be whacked once without any sand ? ( my whacker plate doesn't have a rubber mat, is this a problem ? and I've used 'Brett' blocks which aren't clay. ) Also, exactly how straight should my lines look now, although they look relatively straight there is some 'bend' in the lines, is this to be 'expected' to some degree or should they be dead straight ? Thanks your your help. | |||||
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Tony McCormack - Apr 23rd 2001 | ||||
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Hi Steve,
you should brush the dried jointing sand into your paving and leave a 'dusting' on the surface before compacting. The plate will vibrate the sand into the joints and you may need to top up as you proceed. As for your lines, they should be absolutely straight, but some deviation is allowable, seeing as it's your own driveway. If you're happy with it, then that's all that really matters, but it is worth spending half an hour or so trying to persuade the blocks into straightish lines if you can. |
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Water runoff from hillside - Grant Muckart - Apr 23rd 2001 | ||||
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Hi Tony,
My query concerns the water that drains off the hillside behind my brother's house and ends up saturating the garden soil in a long flower bed that runs the length of his back yard. His house sits at the bottom of a hillside in a very wet area of the west coast of Scotland. When it rains the peaty soil of the hillside soaks up the rain and it all flows downhill and through the wire netting of the fence with a sizeable amount ending up in his raised flower bed. There is a fairly primitive unlined ditch further up the hillside which does help some but not enough. He is planning on digging out the existing soil and lining the back face of the bed with a continuous sheet of heavy duty black polythene,then re-filling with soil. He hopes to divert the water this way.Do you think this will do anny good or would it make matters worse? What would you advise? The hillside slopes 15-20 degrees down to the back of the garden. Thanks in advance. |
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Tony McCormack - Apr 23rd 2001 | ||||
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Hi Grant,
from what you've told me, I would suggest using an interceptor/collector drain at the boundary of the property, and have it outfall to a ditch safely away from the garden. Depending on the exact site conditions, a fin drain might also be suitable. Have a look at the drainage section of the site for more info on both these types of drain, and let me know if you need more info. |
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Between the blocks - Ray Douglas - Apr 28th 2001 | ||||
| Can anyone please advise on the state of the art for filling in the gaps between block pavings. I know silver sand is usually reccoemnded but having just spent a few days clearing out all teh moss and weeds from my drive I now want to replace and fill in with a material which MIGHT prevent future growth? | |||||
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Tony McCormack - Apr 30th 2001 | ||||
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Hi Ray,
it's not necessarily a silver sand that's used for the jointing in block paving; it's the grain sizes and range of sizes that are important, not the colour. In some parts of the country, the locally-available jointing sand is definitely reddish in colour. As long as you buy a sand marked as a block paving jointing sand, you should be ok. To keep the sand more securely in place, you could use a weak solution of PVA watered-in once the joints have been filled, or use the Marshall's product 'Keybond', which is basically the same thing. These will have no effect on the appearance of the blocks themselves. Alternatively, a quality sealant such as Resiblock 22 will prevent loss of sand in the future *and* seal your paving at the same time, although you do get a gloss or semi-gloss finish to the blockwork. This is the best solution to keeping weed colonisation of the joints to a minimum. Good luck! |
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Crumbling mortar - Dave Godes - Apr 30th 2001 | ||||
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Tony McCormack - Apr 30th 2001 | ||||
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- Dave Godes - Apr 30th 2001 | ||||
| I'm using a premixed mortar (Quikrete brand), no additives. I've tried to mix it (i.e., add water) to achieve a consistency such that "peaks" remain in the mixing tub and about 1/2 inch of mortar will remain on the trowel if held in a near-vertical position. | |||||
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Tony McCormack - Apr 30th 2001 | ||||
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Is that a UK brand or are you overseas?
Pre-packed mortars have a finite shelf life. What you describe sounds like a perished (ie, knackered, useless, gone off) mortar. |
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DPC - Dave Godes - Apr 30th 2001 | ||||
| I'm in the US. I'll check and see if there's a date on it. Thanks a lot for your help...I guess I'll go buy some new mortar this week. | |||||
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Tony McCormack - May 1st 2001 | ||||
| That'll be why I've never heard of that product! Would you not be better off buying sand and cement and making up your own mortar as it's needed, rather than buying a pre-pack? Pre-packs are approximately 3 times the price of self-mix mortars here in the UK. | |||||
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Slate paving in the garden - Jill Turner - May 2nd 2001 | ||||
| what are the pros and cons for using slate paving for patio and path in the garden? Will aquaseal prevent staining and how often does it need to be applied? | |||||
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Hi Jill, it all depends on the type of slate and how you lay it. Laid flat on a cementitious bed, it's very attractive and quite simple to do, but care needs to be taken with the mortar when pointing otherwise it will look like a right mess. for some reason I've never been able to put my finger on, slate shows up poor/sloppy pointing more than any other form of paving. Using a black or dark brown mortar will help minimise any adverse looks, but then, a plain 'white' mortar shows up the individual elements better - it's all a matter of taste. Some slate can be slippery when wet, but cleaved slate (as opposed to sawn slate) is usually less so. Also, you may find that unsealed slate becomes colonised by mosses and algaes in shady, untrafficked spots. There's been a surge of interest in slate laid on-edge over the past few years, but this is a challenge to do and to get to look right, not something I'd recommend for those with limited patience, but it is ver, very attractive as an edge detail or in smaller areas. Aquaseal is not something I would use on slate; I'd use a high quality sealant, something like Resiblock 22, which I would expect to last at least 4 years, whereas the Aqualseal, being acrylic and not primarily developed for paved surfaces, could well turn out to be an annual task. Good luck! |
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- Jill Turner - May 10th 2001 | ||||
| Many thanks for reply, yours is a brilliant site!I am still fretting, am putting down 75mm of aggregate on hardish soil/tarmac mess as substrate, then what sort of concrete mix do you recommend and how thick? I want to lay tiles a few at a time, shall i leave 5mm between them ? and then point with thin mix (how thin?) what ratio sand and cement? The slate tiles are about 300mm square by 12mm thick and they are called chinese lilac.Have got an impregnating sealer which has been recommended by supplier who is generally not very helpful sadly. They have assured me that they are ok for outside but i am nervous as they cost a lot of money for me. All info gratefully received. Thanks again, Jill | |||||
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Tony McCormack - May 10th 2001 | ||||
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Hi again Jill,
use a 75mm thick bed of Class E concrete (that's approximately a 1:3:6 mix of cement/sand/gravels). That should be fine for foot traffic. Keep the added water to an absolute minimum; the mix needs only be damp, not sopping wet. This will make laying the tiles that much easier and also reduce the amount of staining. Jointing should be 6-10mm, I'd guess, and pointed with a 1:4 mortar. |
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Jill Turner - May 12th 2001 | ||||
| Many thanks Tony,did check after on site,cements and mortars bit. Would love to send you pix. most worried about drainage incline, but im sure will be able to sort it out thanx to your pages but am just worrying,when youve spent that much money and done all that research etc etc. Thanx for interest, info etc. yours jill | |||||
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PAVING OR CONCRETE - TREVOR HUGHES - May 2nd 2001 | ||||
| AS THE CONCRETE IN OUR BACK HAS BEEN CRACKING FOR A FEW YEARS NOW,AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK WEATHER IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO LAY PAVING ON TOP OF THE OLD CONCRETE OR LAY NEW CONCRETE OVER THE OLD WITHOUT HAVING TO DIG UP THE OLD CONCRETE. ANY ADVICE WOULD BE HELPFUL | |||||
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Tony McCormack - May 3rd 2001 | ||||
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Hi Trevor,
paving and/or new concrete can be laid over old concrete but there are a couple of important caveats. Firstly, you must ensure that the new surface is not going to compromise the damp proof course (dpc) of your property; that is, the new surface *must* be at least 150mm below the dpc. Also, if the old concrete is cracked, these cracks can propagate through the new paving/concrete and make an unwelcome appearance in the new surface in as little as 6 months in severe cases.This is because the concrete beneath the new paving will continue to shift/settle over time. In some cases the added load/weight of the new paving actually accelerates the movement. My usual recommendation in these cases is to rtip out the old concrete and start afresh. It's one of those things that might take you a day or so extra labour and a couple of hundred quid to sort out, but if you take the easy option and hope for the best, you won't half be pizdov if it does move! ;~) PS - using all capital letters is the 'net equivalent of SHOUTING! - Do us a favour and make sure caps lock is off before typing. Good man! :~) |
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Brick wall footing questions - Alan Simpson - May 3rd 2001 | ||||
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I asked you some questions about a brick wall last year. I was hesitant to ask you more (fearing wearing out my welcome), but then I saw a page on your site about some diy work that someone had done using your help and thought maybe you wouldn't mind. I'll take pictures as I go along.
So... I have some questions about the concrete foundation for a brick garden wall. (1) the wall is going to come right to the rear of the house (a Victorian mid-terrace). I was going to leave a small gap (5-10mm between the house and the footing). What should I use to fill this? It's below the dpc of the house, so I shouldn't have to worry about damp, but I just want to be careful. (2) you suggested that I align the movement joints with the piers. I am going to have to ask a stupid question. What did you mean by this? Do you mean having the movement joint at one of the edges of each pier? E.g.,
-|----------------------|-------- So that the joint is just along the left edge of the two shown piers (apologies for the ASCII "art"). Or did you mean something completely different? I was also thinking of something like the following:
-| |--------|----------| |------ where the movement joint is halfway between the piers. I was speculating that having the pier in the middle of each length of brick might provide more "balanced" support. Does that make any sense or I am just talking rubbish? (3) If I did follow my suggestion of having the pier halfway along each length of brickwork, then I wouldn't have piers at either end of the entire wall.Would this be ok? Or do I really need a pier at each end to ensure long-term stability of the wall? I think that is all the questions I have in order to lay my concrete footing, which I am hoping to do during the last bank holiday weekend in May. Thanks again for all the information that you have provided |
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Alan wrote.... (1) the wall is going to come right to the rear of the house (a Victorian mid-terrace). I was going to leave a small gap (5-10mm between the house and the footing). What should I use to fill this? Rather than leave a gap, you should form a movement joint by using a piece of Flexcell or similar compressible board between the footting and the existing wall. (2) you suggested that I align the movement joints with the piers. I am going to have to ask a stupid question. What did you mean by this? Do you mean having the movement joint at one of the edges of each pier? It's a long time since we discussed this last, but, IIRC, I think I meant that the movement joints could be incorporated midway between piers. If I did follow my suggestion of having the pier halfway along each length of brickwork, then I wouldn't have piers at either end of the entire wall. Would this be ok? Or do I really need a pier at each end to ensure long-term stability of the wall? It all depends on the size of the wall. You really ought to consult a structural engineer for any wall greater than 1200mm in height, as my speciality is paving rather than wall-building. |
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I would think the best answer to your question would be a real world example.
Think of how a bridge is built.....They build collums, then span the road surface between the two columns, usually putting expansion joint at that point. A good example would be to take a 3 blocks of wood and place them 5 meters apart. Now, if you have 2 5 meter long boards, would you place them so that each board would span from one block to the next, or would you take one, teter-totter it on the middle one, and then cut the other one in half and place it on the two ends maybe screwing it together then at each joint. The answer is simple, you would span the two boards from block to block and not cut one in half. The wall is much like a bridge, spanning between the two pillars. Each pillar, over time, will eventually begin to heave/sink, moving independenty of each other. Thats why you need joints AT the pillars, not in the middle. As for the ends, I would definitely say yes, have pillars. Again think of a bridge, and how the ends are set on a foundation (this time the side of a river/culvert/etc not a pillar) you need the support on each end, or the wall will sink there and crack at the next pillar or inbetween. The wall is basically a 'bridge' from pillar to pillar. Thats the way I think about it. Hopefully I helped some and didn't confuse the daylights out of you. |
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More on Millstone - John@Aintree Paving - May 6th 2001 | ||||
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In relation to my last question regarding Millstone Pavings
When you suggested ready mix 1-Do I lay when the concrete is setting and I can walk on it 2-Do I lay out a bay and walk over raised planks setting the paving as I go 3-Do I place the slabs directly on the wet mix . I think I know what I want to do do but would hate to order wet mix and be stuck on site |
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John asked... 1-Do I lay when the concrete is setting and I can walk on it I said that you should use a semi-dry mix, not a wet mix, so yes, you will be able to walk upon it. 2-Do I lay out a bay and walk over raised planks setting the paving as I go Not necessary with a semi-dry mix. 3-Do I place the slabs directly on the wet mix. Do NOT use a wet mix - it will be a nightmare. |
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'Darts' ? -Steve Stiansen - May 7th 2001 | ||||
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I was looking through your site (as it seems I do often anymore) and saw you discussion on 'darts', or the small pieces of bricks that are left when you cut a turn in on a flexible type paving stone.
My question is whether you always eliminate 'darts' or if you sometimes leave them in? I've always been the type to stick to the pattern, and will cut even the smallest pieces in just to keep the pattern flowing. However, I do see the pieces sink often, or even worst, break (especially during compaction) and would like to try the idea of leaving the 'darts' out. My problem is how would it look for smaller areas such as walksways, where the edging is much more noticeable than say a larger area such as a drive or larger patio. For larger areas, I can see ones eye easily flowing past the slight pattern change at the edge, however, for smaller areas, I would think it would be much more noticeable. Just seeing what anyone's comments are on this subject. |
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Darts should be avoided wherever possible. Any cut brick less than one-half of a full unit should be replaced with a larger piece, as described on the Cutting-in Page
You'll hardly notice the break in pattern after a couple of weeks. For small paths and the like, it may be wise to consider a pattern that reduces the number of small pieces of cutting-in required, such as, say, a running bond. |
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Fan pattern - Lesley Brady - May 8th 2001 | ||||
| My Husband has spent all bank holiday weekend laying cobbles in the fan pattern - it looks great but there are quite a lot of large spaces now he has been over the cobbles with the machine (I cant remember what its called) to level them out. He is very concerned about the gaps - obviously there were gaps before are the pattern is curved and the cobbles are square, but now they seem worse in place - it spoils the pattern a bit and also the weeks are going to grow like mad in the gaps - has anyone got any ideas - I really want to keep the pattern. | |||||
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Not sure what you mean by 'fan' pattern, but will take a guess and say maybe he will need to rent a concrete saw (if he hasn't already) and start cutting custom pieces to fill the gaps.
How large are the gaps? If over a half inch, they could be a trip hazard in the near future. Sand will not fill gaps for very long if they are that large, as if will wash out quickly. I would suggest cutting as the best solution. You may have to pull a few sections up and actually cut a row or two of the cobbles to maintain the pattern. (i mean you may need to trim a few down in a row so that you don't have to just stick one little sliver in) Lot of good info on the saws here at the sight if you look in the tools section. Should be able to rent one, but the blade will be pricy as they charge you for wear. |
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Hi Lesley,
the joints need to be sealed in some way. My preferred method is to use pitch, as described on the site, but you could use a high-strength mortar, preferably one enhanced with SBR, an additive you can buy from Builders' Merchants. Also, a dark coloured or black mortar looks much better with cobbles/setts. I recently sealed a fan-pattern driveway for a reader of this site and will be putting up some pictures in the near future. I used pitch, for the traditional look and the finished job now looks wonderful, even if I say so myself. :~) |
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Paving Query - Sean - May 12th 2001 | ||||
| I have an area of 260cm x 290cm concrete against my house onto which I want to lay block paving. The current concrete base is 5cm thick and is 25cm below the DPC but is badly cracked in places. I intend to make a base of sharp sand on top of the existing concrete and then lay the 45cm slabs on top of the sand using mortar to keep them in place. What I would like to know is this the right approach or should I be using some other method. If this is the right approach should I use mortar or will it be fine to just let the slabs lay on the sand. | |||||
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Tony McCormack - May 15th 2001 | ||||
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Is this block paving, as you originally state, or slabs? If it's block paving, then you need to lay the blocks on a cement-free bed of grit sand, not a mortar bed, unless it's rigid block paving (see site for more detail).
However, if it's slabs, then you can lay them on a 10:1 sand/cement semi-dry mix on top of the existing concrete. A 35-50mm thick bed plus the 40mm or so thick slab will give you an additional 75-90mm on top of the concrete which should keep you below the recommended 150mm clearance from paving to dpc. Don't use a wet mortar for bedding - it *will* make a mess and is much harder to lay on than a semi-dry bedding mix. |
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Excavation beside my house - Alan Simpson - May 13th 2001 | ||||
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I have a question about how deep down I should dig.
There are only 3 courses of brick between the slate dpc in my house and the footing of the wall. I thought that I should keep 6" between the dpc and the final surface of the patio that I am making (yes, Tony, in addition to the wall, there is also a patio ). That suggests that I should excavate to the level of the top of the footing. But then something else just came to mind: drainage. Aren't I supposed to keep a 1:80 slope. Along one wall of the house, this is amounts to 1.5". Along the other side more like 3". So this suggests digging to a significant depth (if 1.5-3" is significant) below the level of the footing all around the extension. My gut tells me that this is bad. My gut also wonders whether even excavating to the top of the footing is ok, although I console it by telling it that there will be 40mm of compacted grit sand. Any advice on these matters? |
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Hi again Alan, the recommendations I give for patio construction are not always possible and this seems to be one of these instances. The footings you mention seem to be inordinately shallow for which there must be a good reason, unless they are non-load-bearing walls, such as garden walls, or, as I've seen on far too many occasions, they are 'Friday Afternoon' foundations, slapped in for a conservatory by some bodger builder. :~( The 150mm below dpc is a good recommendation but not always possible or feasible and so you have to use your discretion. I would, perhaps, elevate the patio to 125mm below dpc rather than expose the foundations of a wall, but, without being completely familiar with your site, it's not possible for me to say exactly what I would do. Keep the bedding to a minimum, say 35mm, or even 30mm if you're only using decorative patio flags and there will be no vehicular traffic. The paving should slope away from the wall, so you should find that at, say, 500mm out from the wall where you're clear of the footing, you can revert to a fuller construction method. |
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Reinforced grass paving - William Allen - May 14th 2001 | ||||
| Currently I have a driveway going through my back yard that takes up a considerable portion of the usable space. I would like to replace the paving with some sort of reinforced grass system that will prevent ruts yet still allow childern to play on it. the drive currently has 4 crossings per day and occasionally short term parking by guests. Any help as far as experiance with these products or places to go to get information would be helpful. So far your site has the most information I have been able to find on the subject. Also the grade of the drive is 1% so it is relitivly flat. | |||||
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Tony McCormack - May 15th 2001 | ||||
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Hi Bill,
Grass paving systems are quite expensive for domestic applications, so it's usually a matter of shoppinbg around to find a supplier or stockist with the right product for your project at the right price. However, you mention that the 'grade' of your drive is only 1% which makes me suspect you are not UK-based, as 'grade' is not a term we use in that context; it's far more common in N America. If that is the case, there's not much I can do to advise you, as I have no knowldege of the the paving market on the left hand side of the pond. You could try some of the links featured on my site to grass paving companies and see if they have outlets in your neck of the woods, but beyond that, there's really very little I can say. Meanwhile, if I've completely misread the situation and you are stuck in these soggy islands like me, I'd suggest you contact Cooper Clarke in Bolton (address on Links page) and ask them about their EcoGrid range - that has often proved to be the most cost-effective solution for smaller, residential grass paving projects (ie, less than 500m2) |
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